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Re: [Healeys] Ballast resistor wiring question

To: Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Ballast resistor wiring question
From: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 13:17:02 -0500
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When I ordered the bulbs from Moss I asked the associate if they would work
in a 100 as its tail light lenses are much flatter than those for later
cars and he assured me that they would.  In fact LED bulb is about 5/16"
taller than the incandescent bulb and it will not fit under the present
lens.  My choices are to either find a shorter LED or go to the later
rounded glass lens as used in BN/BT cars.  I am hoping to go with the first
option.

BTW since I have previously transferred my turn signal function to separate
electrified reflector pods I now realize that I do not at this time need to
install the ballasts since there will be no flasher function for the
bulb--merely side and brake function only.  But since I will probably next
replace the front bulbs and those in the electrified pods with LED's the
ballasts will not go to waste.

Thanks all for your patience....

On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 12:52 PM Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net>
wrote:

> You can get a complete kit for the whole car including an LED flashing
> unit from Litezupp.
>
>
> https://litezupp.com/epages/ac0e8cab-e6c1-4d6b-ab90-9213bdc3f061.sf/en_US/?ObjectPath=/Shops/ac0e8cab-e6c1-4d6b-ab90-9213bdc3f061/Products/%22AH%20100%20LED%20Kit%22
>
>
> Mike MacLean
> On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 8:03:14 AM PST, Michael Salter <
> michaelsalter@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> *" What Kees says flies in the face of both Moss's (slightly inarticulate)
> instructions as well as the consensus of the group"* Quelle surprise !!
>
> Actually, just to clear up the terminology, the resistors are required
> between the green with white tracer wire (21) and ground on both right side
> lamps and between the green with red tracer wire (18) and ground on both
> left side lamps.
> The important terminology is that these resistors *parallel* the
> turn/brake light filaments to increase the current flow to the 3.2 amps
> required to make the 42 watt thermal flasher unit operate as designed.
>
> My middle name is "pedantic" :-)
>
> M
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 10:30 AM Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks all.  What Kees says flies in the face of both Moss's (slightly
> inarticulate) instructions as well as the consensus of the group.
> I will install ONE resistor in the flasher lead of each lamp, two--not
> four--resistors total.
>
> Best--Michael Oritt
>
> On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 10:22 AM Bob Haskell <rchaskell@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> Per the Moss video, you're creating a new ground path to prevent all
> lights blinking when you turn on the left or right turn signal.  So
> connect the ballast resistors to the turn signal circuit.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bob Haskell
> Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar
>
> On 12/24/19 9:22 AM, Michael Oritt wrote:
> > I purchased two of the Moss 170-941 red LED bulbs to use as
> > tail-lights/brake-lights to replace the standard 1157 dual filament
> > bulbs on my 100 (I have the reflector pods electrified and wired for
> > turn signals).  In addition to the bulbs I also purchased, at Moss's
> > suggestion, two 170-965 Load Resistors.
> >
> > The instructions for installation of the resistors simply talk about the
> > resistor's being installed between the power and ground leads to each
> > fixture but it does not specify which power lead.  My question is:  do I
> > connect the ground lead to the tail light power lead or the turn signal
> > power lead or does it matter?  I cannot envision connecting it to both
> > as that would defeat their separate function.
> >
> > TIA....Michael Oritt
> >
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">When =
I ordered the bulbs from Moss I asked the associate if they would work in a=
 100 as its tail light lenses are much flatter than those for later cars an=
d he assured me that they would.=C2=A0 In fact LED bulb is about 5/16&quot;=
 taller than the incandescent bulb and it will not fit under the present le=
ns.=C2=A0 My choices are to either find a shorter LED or go to the later ro=
unded glass lens as used in BN/BT cars.=C2=A0 I am hoping to go with the fi=
rst option.<br><br>BTW since I have previously transferred my turn signal f=
unction to separate electrified reflector pods I now realize that I do not =
at this time need to install the ballasts since there will be no flasher fu=
nction for the bulb--merely side and brake function only.=C2=A0 But since I=
 will probably next replace the front bulbs and those in the electrified po=
ds with LED&#39;s the ballasts will not go to waste. =C2=A0 <br><br>Thanks =
all for your patience....<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 12:52 PM Michael=
 MacLean &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rrengineer.mike@att.net"; target=3D"_blank">r=
rengineer.mike@att.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,2=
04);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-family:&quot;times new roman&=
quot;,&quot;new york&quot;,times,serif;font-size:16px"><div></div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">You can get a complete kit for the whole car inclu=
ding an LED flashing unit from Litezupp.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"https://litezupp.com/epages/ac0e8cab-e6c1-4d6b-ab=
90-9213bdc3f061.sf/en_US/?ObjectPath=3D/Shops/ac0e8cab-e6c1-4d6b-ab90-9213b=
dc3f061/Products/%22AH%20100%20LED%20Kit%22" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_bl=
ank">https://litezupp.com/epages/ac0e8cab-e6c1-4d6b-ab90-9213bdc3f061.sf/en=
_US/?ObjectPath=3D/Shops/ac0e8cab-e6c1-4d6b-ab90-9213bdc3f061/Products/%22A=
H%20100%20LED%20Kit%22</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div dir=3D"l=
tr">Mike MacLean<br></div>
       =20
        </div><div id=3D"gmail-m_7212869107799808771gmail-m_988618506981866=
316yahoo_quoted_8143117646">
            <div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,=
Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(38,40,42)">
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                <div>
                    On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 8:03:14 AM PST, Michael =
Salter &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">mic=
haelsalter@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"gmail-m_7212869107799808771gmail-m_98861850=
6981866316yiv1193384878"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"font-family:&q=
uot;comic sans ms&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style=3D"color:rg=
b(0,0,255)"><i>&quot;
What Kees says flies=C2=A0in the face of both Moss&#39;s (slightly inarticu=
late) instructions as well=C2=A0as the consensus of the group&quot;</i></sp=
an> Quelle surprise !!</div><div style=3D"font-family:&quot;comic sans ms&q=
uot;,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div style=3D"fon=
t-family:&quot;comic sans ms&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:small">Actually, ju=
st to clear up the terminology, the resistors are required between the gree=
n with white tracer wire (21) and ground on both right side lamps and betwe=
en the green with red tracer wire (18) and ground on both left side lamps.<=
/div><div style=3D"font-family:&quot;comic sans ms&quot;,sans-serif;font-si=
ze:small">The important terminology is that these resistors <u><b>parallel<=
/b></u> the turn/brake light filaments to increase the current flow to the =
3.2 amps required to make the 42 watt thermal flasher unit operate as desig=
ned.=C2=A0 <br clear=3D"none"></div><div style=3D"font-family:&quot;comic s=
ans ms&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div styl=
e=3D"font-family:&quot;comic sans ms&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:small">My m=
iddle name is &quot;pedantic&quot; :-)</div><div style=3D"font-family:&quot=
;comic sans ms&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br clear=3D"none"></div><=
div style=3D"font-family:&quot;comic sans ms&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:sma=
ll">M<br clear=3D"none"></div><div style=3D"font-family:&quot;comic sans ms=
&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br clear=3D"none">
</div></div><br clear=3D"none"><div><div id=3D"gmail-m_7212869107799808771g=
mail-m_988618506981866316yiv1193384878yqtfd72855"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, =
Dec 24, 2019 at 10:30 AM Michael Oritt &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rec=
t" href=3D"mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">michael.oritt@=
gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div></div><blockquote style=3D=
"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-le=
ft:1ex"><div id=3D"gmail-m_7212869107799808771gmail-m_988618506981866316yiv=
1193384878yqtfd10731"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">=
Thanks all.=C2=A0 What Kees says flies=C2=A0in the face of both Moss&#39;s =
(slightly inarticulate) instructions as well=C2=A0as the consensus of the g=
roup.=C2=A0 I=C2=A0will=C2=A0install ONE resistor in the flasher lead of ea=
ch lamp, two--not four--resistors total.</div><div style=3D"color:rgb(51,51=
,255)"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,255)">Best--M=
ichael Oritt</div></div><br clear=3D"none"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, De=
c 24, 2019 at 10:22 AM Bob Haskell &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" h=
ref=3D"mailto:rchaskell@earthlink.net"; target=3D"_blank">rchaskell@earthlin=
k.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Pe=
r the Moss video, you&#39;re creating a new ground path to prevent all <br =
clear=3D"none">
lights blinking when you turn on the left or right turn signal.=C2=A0 So <b=
r clear=3D"none">
connect the ballast resistors to the turn signal circuit.<br clear=3D"none"=
>
<br clear=3D"none">
Cheers,<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
Bob Haskell<br clear=3D"none">
Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
On 12/24/19 9:22 AM, Michael Oritt wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
&gt; I purchased two of the Moss 170-941 red LED bulbs to use as <br clear=
=3D"none">
&gt; tail-lights/brake-lights to replace the standard 1157 dual filament <b=
r clear=3D"none">
&gt; bulbs on my 100 (I have the reflector pods electrified and wired for <=
br clear=3D"none">
&gt; turn signals).=C2=A0 In addition to the bulbs I also purchased, at Mos=
s&#39;s <br clear=3D"none">
&gt; suggestion, two 170-965 Load Resistors.<br clear=3D"none">
&gt; <br clear=3D"none">
&gt; The instructions for installation of the resistors simply talk about t=
he <br clear=3D"none">
&gt; resistor&#39;s being installed between the power and ground leads to e=
ach <br clear=3D"none">
&gt; fixture but it does not specify which power lead.=C2=A0 My question is=
: =C2=A0do I <br clear=3D"none">
&gt; connect the ground lead to the tail light power lead or the turn signa=
l <br clear=3D"none">
&gt; power lead or does it matter?=C2=A0 I cannot envision connecting it to=
 both <br clear=3D"none">
&gt; as that would defeat their separate function.<br clear=3D"none">
&gt; <br clear=3D"none">
&gt; TIA....Michael Oritt<br clear=3D"none">
&gt; <br clear=3D"none">
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