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I=92ve always preferred garage time to ball games anyway.
Bill Lawrence
BN1 #554
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From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Steven Kingsbur=
y via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 12:19:19 AM
To: Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net>
Cc: healeys@autox.team.net <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Four cylinder woes, part two!
I've got a guy who builds engines for Bonneville advising me, so if he says=
, hone the cylinders, I will, if he says they look fine, I'm going to take =
his word for it. As far as the clutch, the little I did drive her, that fel=
t really good and if I'm going to do the clutch, I will pull the transmissi=
on through the cockpit and do it that way. Done that before and that's just=
a day job.
As far as everything else, no leaks so why take things apart when they'r=
e not leaking? Rocker assembly seemed actually nice and tight and solid, so=
the etc, etc, etc will be done if needed, if not needed, it won't. I'm not=
going half ass, but I'm also not creating work just because I'm here. Now =
if I find the crank is a mess, well then, that's a whole new ball game and =
it will be dealt with. And since we don't have any ball games left right no=
w, it will still be fun.
Steven Kingsbury
On March 12, 2020 at 4:32 PM, Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net> wro=
te:
Not honing the cylinders? While it's apart, how old is the clutch? Rocker=
assembly? Thrust rings? Seals. front and rear, etc., etc.
Mike MacLean
On Thursday, March 12, 2020, 4:29:26 PM PDT, Steven Kingsbury via Healeys <=
healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
Latest update, took the head to a friend's machine shop and took the valves=
out. All the intake vales had build up of soft carbon, a sign of burning o=
il I was told and I'm going to have to also pull the pistons to redo the ri=
ngs. Fun, but I'm here, so why not? I'm also going to get new valve guides =
pressed in and replace the ones in the head as the valves seem to rock a bi=
t going up and down. The head though is not warped and is straight, but I w=
ill get it checked out for cracks and resurface the head to make it super s=
mooth.
I'm also going to drop the pan, and push the pistons out of the block an=
d replace the rings. And yes, I will plastiguage the crank to make sure it'=
s in good shape and install new rod bearings when in there.
I am also going to remove the tappet cover and take a good, hard, close =
up look at all the lifters to make sure that's not a problem. Right now, in=
for a penny, in for a pound. Sterling that is.
Basically, I'm making sure everything is correct this time and then I wi=
ll have no one but me to blame if it doesn't work. But all in all, it seems=
pretty simple. So stay tuned for further updates as they happen.
Thanks for all the input, suggestions and guesses. This is actually quit=
e the fun project.
Steven Kingsbury
On March 12, 2020 at 12:38 PM, John Harper <ah100register@gmail.com> wrote:
Hank
The fact that number 2 exhaust valve is not the same colour as the others m=
ight be a clue. Maybe it is not closing fully? It would be worth checking f=
or a stuck valve guide, broken spring or just lost clearance. A partially =
seized rocker is possible but not likely. This may not be the problem but i=
t would not take much effort to pull the valve out and check for any burnin=
g on the working face.
Best regards
et>> wrote:
Hi Steven-good to hear from you!
That's a nice test, but I would magnaflux the head for cracks between 2-3 a=
nd have it shaved flat..could be a head gasket leak due to warped head...es=
pecially if valves and rings checked good.
Also, I don't recommend NGK plugs- use Champion N-5...maybe cause of carbo=
n on valves. Unless cam is flat, valve spring broken or tappet rods bent/br=
oken, problem is in head-block fit.
Regards, Hank Leach
-----------------------------------------
From: "Steven Kingsbury via Healeys"
Cc:
Sent: Thursday March 12 2020 9:40:25AM
Subject: [Healeys] Four cylinder woes, part two!
Okay, here's the latest! I finally got to pull my head If you remember, I h=
ad 155 lbs of pressure in cylinders 1, 3, and 4 and only 25 lbs in cylinder=
number two. So with the head off, I was prepared to find a problem with I =
flipped it over to expose the valves, no such luck. Other than number two e=
xhaust valve being a bit black, no cracks, nothing stuck and it looked fine=
. So then I went to look into the cylinders themselves, walls smooth, flat =
high compression pistons smooth, number three a bit rough on the top, but o=
ther than that and good.
So then I went back to the head, put the spark plugs back in and filled =
the combustion chambers with paint thinner to see where it would leak out. =
Filled each chamber evenly and waited. Twelve hours later, and other than e=
vaporation, no leaks! All chambers still even in their fluid retention.
So then I rotated the crank to get all the pistons to an almost even pos=
ition and put paint thinner in the cylinders at the same depth. No quick le=
ak, not one cylinder faster than the others and all the fluid finally drain=
ed out smoothly and evenly in each cylinder.
I'm a bit stumped. My next step is taking the head to a guy in town, an =
old machinist who builds his own engines and runs his car at Bonneville in =
the 300 mph range. He knows what he's doing and I'm sure he will give me so=
me sage advice and help. Also as a side note, I went over the head with a m=
agnifying glass and can see now cracks, but that doesn't mean they are not =
there I know. I was just thinking with a 100 pound plus difference, somethi=
ng would be obvious.
I am also going to be taking off the tappet cover on the side, inspect a=
ll the lifters and see what I can find there. Like I said, I'm a bit perple=
xed, but I'm not done. I will find something wrong! Here are some photos fo=
r you, maybe you can see something I can't.
[IMG_20200311_143602.jpg]
Here's the head, upside down and you can see the exhaust valve on number tw=
o is blacker than the others, but no cracks, chips, or visible damage.
[IMG_20200311_172123.jpg]
And here's the fluid I placed in the combustion chambers. It didn't drain o=
ut and just sat there.
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I=92ve always preferred garage time to ball games anyway.<br>
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Bill Lawrence<br>
BN1 #554
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yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Healeys <healeys-b=
ounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Steven Kingsbury via Healeys <hea=
leys@autox.team.net><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 13, 2020 12:19:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net><br>
<b>Cc:</b> healeys@autox.team.net <healeys@autox.team.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Four cylinder woes, part two!</font>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div>
<div>I've got a guy who builds engines for Bonneville advising me, so if he=
says, hone the cylinders, I will, if he says they look fine, I'm going to =
take his word for it. As far as the clutch, the little I did drive her, tha=
t felt really good and if I'm going
to do the clutch, I will pull the transmission through the cockpit and do =
it that way. Done that before and that's just a day job. </div>
<div> As far as everything else, no leaks so why take thin=
gs apart when they're not leaking? Rocker assembly seemed actually nice and=
tight and solid, so the etc, etc, etc will be done if needed, if not neede=
d, it won't. I'm not going half ass, but I'm also
not creating work just because I'm here. Now if I find the crank is a mess=
, well then, that's a whole new ball game and it will be dealt with. And si=
nce we don't have any ball games left right now, it will still be fun.</div=
>
<div>Steven Kingsbury</div>
<div><br>
On March 12, 2020 at 4:32 PM, Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net&g=
t; wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
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roman,new york,times,serif; font-size:16px">
<div><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Not honing the cylinders? While it's apart, how old =
is the clutch? Rocker assembly? Thrust rings? Seals. fron=
t and rear, etc., etc.<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Mike MacLean<br>
</div>
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<div>On Thursday, March 12, 2020, 4:29:26 PM PDT, Steven Kingsbury via Heal=
eys <healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div id=3D"x_yiv7423198322">
<div>
<div>Latest update, took the head to a friend's machine shop and took the v=
alves out. All the intake vales had build up of soft carbon, a sign of burn=
ing oil I was told and I'm going to have to also pull the pistons to redo t=
he rings. Fun, but I'm here, so
why not? I'm also going to get new valve guides pressed in and replace the=
ones in the head as the valves seem to rock a bit going up and down. The h=
ead though is not warped and is straight, but I will get it checked out for=
cracks and resurface the head to
make it super smooth.</div>
<div> I'm also going to drop the pan, and push the pistons=
out of the block and replace the rings. And yes, I will plastiguage the cr=
ank to make sure it's in good shape and install new rod bearings when in th=
ere. </div>
<div> I am also going to remove the tappet cover and take =
a good, hard, close up look at all the lifters to make sure that's not a pr=
oblem. Right now, in for a penny, in for a pound. Sterling that is.</div>
<div> Basically, I'm making sure everything is correct thi=
s time and then I will have no one but me to blame if it doesn't work. But =
all in all, it seems pretty simple. So stay tuned for further updates as th=
ey happen.</div>
<div> Thanks for all the input, suggestions and guesses. T=
his is actually quite the fun project.</div>
<div>Steven Kingsbury</div>
<div> </div>
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<div><br clear=3D"none">
On March 12, 2020 at 12:38 PM, John Harper <ah100register@gmail.com> =
wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hank
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>The fact that number 2 exhaust valve is not the same colour as th=
e others might be a clue. Maybe it is not closing fully? It would be worth =
checking for a stuck valve guide, broken spring or just lost clearanc=
e. A partially seized rocker is possible but
not likely. This may not be the problem but it would not take much effort =
to pull the valve out and check for any burning on the working face.</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>Best regards</div>
</div>
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18:18, <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:gradea1@chart=
er.net">gradea1@charter.net</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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<div>Hi Steven-good to hear from you!
<p>That's a nice test, but I would magnaflux the head for cracks between 2-=
3 and have it shaved flat..could be a head gasket leak due to warped head..=
.especially if valves and rings checked good.</p>
<p>Also, I don't recommend NGK plugs- use Champion N-5...maybe cause =
of carbon on valves. Unless cam is flat, valve spring broken or tappet rods=
bent/broken, problem is in head-block fit.</p>
<p>Regards, Hank Leach<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
</p>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
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<p>-----------------------------------------</p>
From: "Steven Kingsbury via Healeys" <u></u><br clear=3D"none">
To: <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.teamnet=
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Cc: <br clear=3D"none">
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Subject: [Healeys] Four cylinder woes, part two!<br clear=3D"none">
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d-spacing:0px; text-decoration-color:initial">
Okay, here's the latest! I finally got to pull my head If you remember, I h=
ad 155 lbs of pressure in cylinders 1, 3, and 4 and only 25 lbs in cylinder=
number two. So with the head off, I was prepared to find a problem with I =
flipped it over to expose the valves,
no such luck. Other than number two exhaust valve being a bit black, no cr=
acks, nothing stuck and it looked fine. So then I went to look into the cyl=
inders themselves, walls smooth, flat high compression pistons smooth, numb=
er three a bit rough on the top,
but other than that and good.</div>
<div style=3D"color:#000000; font-family:SFNSText,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetic=
a,sans-serif; font-size:15px; font-style:normal; font-weight:300; letter-sp=
acing:normal; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; wor=
d-spacing:0px; text-decoration-color:initial">
So then I went back to the head, put the spark plugs back=
in and filled the combustion chambers with paint thinner to see where it w=
ould leak out. Filled each chamber evenly and waited. Twelve hours later, a=
nd other than evaporation, no leaks! All chambers
still even in their fluid retention. </div>
<div style=3D"color:#000000; font-family:SFNSText,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetic=
a,sans-serif; font-size:15px; font-style:normal; font-weight:300; letter-sp=
acing:normal; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; wor=
d-spacing:0px; text-decoration-color:initial">
So then I rotated the crank to get all the pistons to an =
almost even position and put paint thinner in the cylinders at the same dep=
th. No quick leak, not one cylinder faster than the others and all the flui=
d finally drained out smoothly and evenly in each
cylinder. </div>
<div style=3D"color:#000000; font-family:SFNSText,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetic=
a,sans-serif; font-size:15px; font-style:normal; font-weight:300; letter-sp=
acing:normal; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; wor=
d-spacing:0px; text-decoration-color:initial">
I'm a bit stumped. My next step is taking the head to a g=
uy in town, an old machinist who builds his own engines and runs his car at=
Bonneville in the 300 mph range. He knows what he's doing and I'm sure he =
will give me some sage advice and help. Also as
a side note, I went over the head with a magnifying glass and can see now =
cracks, but that doesn't mean they are not there I know. I was just thinkin=
g with a 100 pound plus difference, something would be obvious. </div>
<div style=3D"color:#000000; font-family:SFNSText,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetic=
a,sans-serif; font-size:15px; font-style:normal; font-weight:300; letter-sp=
acing:normal; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; wor=
d-spacing:0px; text-decoration-color:initial">
I am also going to be taking off the tappet cover on the =
side, inspect all the lifters and see what I can find there. Like I said, I=
'm a bit perplexed, but I'm not done. I will find something wrong! Here are=
some photos for you, maybe you can see something
I can't.</div>
<div style=3D"color:#000000; font-family:SFNSText,'Helvetica Neue',Helvetic=
a,sans-serif; font-size:15px; font-style:normal; font-weight:300; letter-sp=
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Here's the head, upside down and you can see the exhaust valve on number tw=
o is blacker than the others, but no cracks, chips, or visible damage.</div=
>
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And here's the fluid I placed in the combustion chambers. It didn't drain o=
ut and just sat there.</div>
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