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Re: [Healeys] Oil additives -- great informaton. Thanks.

To: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>, Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil additives -- great informaton. Thanks.
From: Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net>
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 20:40:01 +0000 (UTC)
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Kendall GT-1 20W-50 and other weights can be had on Amazon for half the pri=
ce of Valvoline VR-1 with the same protection.
https://tinyurl.com/y7m6zlmx
Mike MacLean
    On Friday, May 1, 2020, 9:11:28 PM PDT, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.n=
et> wrote: =20
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   Walmart had no problem shipping me a crap-ton of Valvoline VR-1 20W-50; =
still don't understand why the outfit in the Midwest I bought from before r=
efused to ship to me.=C2=A0 The Valvoline saga has some strange twists, a f=
ew years ago my favorite parts house 'had to pull it off the shelves;' I ne=
ver got an explanation there, either.=C2=A0 I haven't seen it on any parts =
house shelves since, but as long as Wallymart will ship for free @ less tha=
n $4/qt I'll be happy.
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 Bob
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 On 5/1/2020 10:30 AM, wwycoffbn7--- via Healeys wrote:
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Hi,=C2=A0
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Thanks all.=C2=A0 As is usual there is a lot of good discourse and experien=
ce shared by the list. =C2=A0What triggered my question on oil and oil addi=
tives was the observation of a bottle of Red Line 10W40 image that did not =
display the usual statement that it contains ZDDP. =C2=A0For decades I have=
 used that oil as it carries proper oil pressure, suites the climate, etc. =
=C2=A0However, if Red Line stopped including ZDDP, I would find another oil=
. =C2=A0I also recalled that some time back, Bob Spidell having to find a n=
ew outlet for Valvoline 20W50 as it seemed that it no longer cleared some C=
alifornia rule changes. =C2=A0I wondered it this happened to Red Line.
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=C2=A0
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So, I sent off an inquiry to Red Line and not getting a rapid response sent=
 one to our Healey group. =C2=A0The Healey group was much faster to respond=
. =C2=A0While most business are slowed down by COVID-19, a Red Line respons=
e did come. =C2=A0The assurance is that Red Line Motor Oil 10W40 (SKU 11404=
) contains good ZDDP levels, plenty for an Austin Healey's flat tappet cam =
and lifters; 1225ppm zinc and more importantly 1375ppm phosphorus.
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As to their break in additive, their Web site indicates that a half bottle =
is enough to add to a conventional oil.=C2=A0 It also has bit of sulfur, 16=
.6 grams.=C2=A0 I have to wonder if adding it to their 10W40 could result i=
n too much.=C2=A0 I am just not inclined to experiment.
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=C2=A0
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The 3000=E2=80=99s owner=E2=80=99s manual only mentions 30 weight oil, even=
 for tropical heat.=C2=A0 However, the =E2=80=9CWork shop Manual=E2=80=9D (=
the Green Book) has a much more expansive table that promotes a lot of weig=
hts depending on the manufacturer.=C2=A0 The aspect that modern oils are a =
bit different than those available when the book came out adds a bit more u=
ncertainty.=C2=A0=20
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I am confident using the 10W40.=C2=A0 I used 10W50 in my Triumph, but it wa=
s an air-cooled engine and was REAL hard to start in freezing weather.=C2=
=A0 There were also a lot of reputable recommendations that led me to Red L=
ine=E2=80=99s 10W40.=C2=A0 The oil pressure is proper, so I don=E2=80=99t s=
ee an upside for me to use a heavier oil.
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Many thanks to the folks who responded.=C2=A0=20
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Bill
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        <div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Kendall GT-1 =
20W-50 and other weights can be had on Amazon for half the price of Valvoli=
ne VR-1 with the same protection.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"fals=
e"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span><b>https://tinyur=
l.com/y7m6zlmx</b></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Mike MacLean<br></div>
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                    On Friday, May 1, 2020, 9:11:28 PM PDT, Bob Spidell &lt=
;bspidell@comcast.net&gt; wrote:
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    Walmart had no problem shipping me a crap-ton of Valvoline VR-1
    20W-50; still don't understand why the outfit in the Midwest I
    bought from before refused to ship to me.&nbsp; The Valvoline saga has
    some strange twists, a few years ago my favorite parts house 'had to
    pull it off the shelves;' I never got an explanation there, either.&nbs=
p;
    I haven't seen it on any parts house shelves since, but as long as
    Wallymart will ship for free @ less than $4/qt I'll be happy.<br>
    <br>
    Bob<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class=3D"yiv1269161651moz-cite-prefix">On 5/1/2020 10:30 AM, wwyco=
ffbn7--- via
      Healeys wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
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helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">
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              <p class=3D"yiv1269161651MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12=
.0pt;line-height:normal;"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;">Hi,&nbsp;</span=
></p>
              <p class=3D"yiv1269161651MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:.0=
001pt;line-height:normal;"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;">Thanks
                  all.<span style=3D"">&nbsp; </span>As is
                  usual there is a lot of good discourse and experience
                  shared by the list. <span style=3D"">&nbsp;</span>What
                  triggered my question on oil and oil additives was the
                  observation of a bottle of Red Line 10W40 image that
                  did not display the usual statement that it contains
                  ZDDP. <span style=3D"">&nbsp;</span>For
                  decades I have used that oil as it carries proper oil
                  pressure, suites the climate, etc. <span style=3D"">&nbsp=
;</span>However, if Red
                  Line stopped including ZDDP, I would find another oil.
                  <span style=3D"">&nbsp;</span>I also
                  recalled that some time back, Bob Spidell having to
                  find a new outlet for Valvoline 20W50 as it seemed
                  that it no longer cleared some California rule
                  changes. <span style=3D"">&nbsp;</span>I
                  wondered it this happened to Red Line.</span></p>
              <p class=3D"yiv1269161651MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:.0=
001pt;line-height:normal;"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;">&nbsp;</span><=
/p>
              <p class=3D"yiv1269161651MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:.0=
001pt;line-height:normal;"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;">So,
                  I sent off an inquiry to Red Line and not getting a
                  rapid response sent one to our Healey group. <span style=
=3D"">&nbsp;</span>The Healey group
                  was much faster to respond. <span style=3D"">&nbsp;</span=
>While most
                  business are slowed down by COVID-19, a Red Line
                  response did come. <span style=3D"">&nbsp;</span>The
                  assurance is that Red Line Motor Oil 10W40 (SKU 11404)
                  contains good ZDDP levels, plenty for an Austin
                  Healey's flat tappet cam and lifters; 1225ppm zinc and
                  more importantly 1375ppm phosphorus.<br style=3D"">
                  <br style=3D"">
                </span></p>
              <p class=3D"yiv1269161651MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:.0=
001pt;line-height:normal;"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;">As to their br=
eak in additive, their Web site
                  indicates that a half bottle is enough to add to a
                  conventional oil.<span style=3D"">&nbsp; </span>It
                  also has bit of sulfur, 16.6 grams.<span style=3D"">&nbsp=
; </span>I have to
                  wonder if adding it to their 10W40 could result in too
                  much.<span style=3D"">&nbsp; </span>I am
                  just not inclined to experiment.</span></p>
              <p class=3D"yiv1269161651MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:.0=
001pt;line-height:normal;"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;">&nbsp;</span><=
/p>
              <p class=3D"yiv1269161651MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:.0=
001pt;line-height:normal;"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;">The
                  3000=E2=80=99s owner=E2=80=99s manual only mentions 30 we=
ight oil,
                  even for tropical heat.<span style=3D"">&nbsp; </span>How=
ever, the =E2=80=9CWork shop Manual=E2=80=9D (the
                  Green Book) has a much more expansive table that
                  promotes a lot of weights depending on the
                  manufacturer.<span style=3D"">&nbsp; </span>The
                  aspect that modern oils are a bit different than those
                  available when the book came out adds a bit more
                  uncertainty.<span style=3D"">&nbsp; </span></span></p>
              <p class=3D"yiv1269161651MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:.0=
001pt;line-height:normal;"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;">&nbsp;</span><=
/p>
              <p class=3D"yiv1269161651MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:.0=
001pt;line-height:normal;"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;">I
                  am confident using the 10W40.<span style=3D"">&nbsp; </sp=
an>I used 10W50 in
                  my Triumph, but it was an air-cooled engine and was
                  REAL hard to start in freezing weather.<span style=3D"">&=
nbsp; </span>There were also
                  a lot of reputable recommendations that led me to Red
                  Line=E2=80=99s 10W40.<span style=3D"">&nbsp; </span>The
                  oil pressure is proper, so I don=E2=80=99t see an upside =
for
                  me to use a heavier oil.</span></p>
              <p class=3D"yiv1269161651MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:.0=
001pt;line-height:normal;"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;">&nbsp;</span><=
/p>
              <p class=3D"yiv1269161651MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:.0=
001pt;line-height:normal;"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;">Many
                  thanks to the folks who responded.<span style=3D"">&nbsp;=
 </span></span></p>
              <p class=3D"yiv1269161651MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
14.0pt;line-height:107%;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">&nbsp;</span=
></p>
              <p class=3D"yiv1269161651MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
14.0pt;line-height:107%;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">Bill</span><=
/p>
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