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Re: [Healeys] Oil additives -- great informaton. Thanks.

To: Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil additives -- great informaton. Thanks.
From: David Nock <healeydoc@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 16:06:29 -0700
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> On May 2, 2020, at 1:40 PM, Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net> wrot=
e:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
>=20
> Kendall GT-1 20W-50 and other weights can be had on Amazon for half the pr=
ice of Valvoline VR-1 with the same protection.
>=20
> https://tinyurl.com/y7m6zlmx
>=20
> Mike MacLean
> On Friday, May 1, 2020, 9:11:28 PM PDT, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>=
 wrote:
>=20
>=20
> Walmart had no problem shipping me a crap-ton of Valvoline VR-1 20W-50; st=
ill don't understand why the outfit in the Midwest I bought from before refu=
sed to ship to me.  The Valvoline saga has some strange twists, a few years a=
go my favorite parts house 'had to pull it off the shelves;' I never got an e=
xplanation there, either.  I haven't seen it on any parts house shelves sinc=
e, but as long as Wallymart will ship for free @ less than $4/qt I'll be hap=
py.
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> Bob
>=20
>=20
> On 5/1/2020 10:30 AM, wwycoffbn7--- via Healeys wrote:
>> Hi,=20
>>=20
>> Thanks all.  As is usual there is a lot of good discourse and experience s=
hared by the list.  What triggered my question on oil and oil additives was t=
he observation of a bottle of Red Line 10W40 image that did not display the u=
sual statement that it contains ZDDP.  For decades I have used that oil as i=
t carries proper oil pressure, suites the climate, etc.  However, if Red Lin=
e stopped including ZDDP, I would find another oil.  I also recalled that so=
me time back, Bob Spidell having to find a new outlet for Valvoline 20W50 as=
 it seemed that it no longer cleared some California rule changes.  I wonder=
ed it this happened to Red Line.
>> =20
>> So, I sent off an inquiry to Red Line and not getting a rapid response se=
nt one to our Healey group.  The Healey group was much faster to respond.  W=
hile most business are slowed down by COVID-19, a Red Line response did come=
.  The assurance is that Red Line Motor Oil 10W40 (SKU 11404) contains good Z=
DDP levels, plenty for an Austin Healey's flat tappet cam and lifters; 1225p=
pm zinc and more importantly 1375ppm phosphorus.
>>=20
>> As to their break in additive, their Web site indicates that a half bottl=
e is enough to add to a conventional oil.  It also has bit of sulfur, 16.6 g=
rams.  I have to wonder if adding it to their 10W40 could result in too much=
.  I am just not inclined to experiment.
>> =20
>> The 3000=E2=80=99s owner=E2=80=99s manual only mentions 30 weight oil, ev=
en for tropical heat.  However, the =E2=80=9CWork shop Manual=E2=80=9D (the G=
reen Book) has a much more expansive table that promotes a lot of weights de=
pending on the manufacturer.  The aspect that modern oils are a bit differen=
t than those available when the book came out adds a bit more uncertainty.=20=

>> =20
>> I am confident using the 10W40.  I used 10W50 in my Triumph, but it was a=
n air-cooled engine and was REAL hard to start in freezing weather.  There w=
ere also a lot of reputable recommendations that led me to Red Line=E2=80=99=
s 10W40.  The oil pressure is proper, so I don=E2=80=99t see an upside for m=
e to use a heavier oil.
>> =20
>> Many thanks to the folks who responded.=20
>> =20
>>=20
>> Bill
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>>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>David Nock</d=
iv><div><br></div>Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite">On May 2, 2020, at 1:40 PM, Michael MacLean &lt;rrengineer.mike=
@att.net&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div=
 dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<div class=3D"ydpca4a38e3yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"fo=
nt-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;"><div><=
/div>
        <div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Kendall GT-1 2=
0W-50 and other weights can be had on Amazon for half the price of Valvoline=
 VR-1 with the same protection.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">=
<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span><b>https://tinyurl.co=
m/y7m6zlmx</b></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Mike MacLean<br></div>
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        </div><div id=3D"yahoo_quoted_8559956323" class=3D"yahoo_quoted">
            <div style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sa=
ns-serif;font-size:13px;color:#26282a;">
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                <div>
                    On Friday, May 1, 2020, 9:11:28 PM PDT, Bob Spidell &lt;=
bspidell@comcast.net&gt; wrote:
                </div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><br></div>
                <div><div id=3D"yiv1269161651">
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  <div>
    Walmart had no problem shipping me a crap-ton of Valvoline VR-1
    20W-50; still don't understand why the outfit in the Midwest I
    bought from before refused to ship to me.&nbsp; The Valvoline saga has
    some strange twists, a few years ago my favorite parts house 'had to
    pull it off the shelves;' I never got an explanation there, either.&nbsp=
;
    I haven't seen it on any parts house shelves since, but as long as
    Wallymart will ship for free @ less than $4/qt I'll be happy.<br>
    <br>
    Bob<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class=3D"yiv1269161651moz-cite-prefix">On 5/1/2020 10:30 AM, wwycof=
fbn7--- via
      Healeys wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
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      <div>
        <div id=3D"yiv1269161651">
          <div class=3D"yiv1269161651userEdit" style=3D"font-family:arial, h=
elvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;">
            <div>
              <p class=3D"yiv1269161651MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.=
0pt;line-height:normal;"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;">Hi,&nbsp;</span><=
/p>
              <p class=3D"yiv1269161651MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:.00=
01pt;line-height:normal;"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;">Thanks
                  all.<span style=3D"">&nbsp; </span>As is
                  usual there is a lot of good discourse and experience
                  shared by the list. <span style=3D"">&nbsp;</span>What
                  triggered my question on oil and oil additives was the
                  observation of a bottle of Red Line 10W40 image that
                  did not display the usual statement that it contains
                  ZDDP. <span style=3D"">&nbsp;</span>For
                  decades I have used that oil as it carries proper oil
                  pressure, suites the climate, etc. <span style=3D"">&nbsp;=
</span>However, if Red
                  Line stopped including ZDDP, I would find another oil.
                  <span style=3D"">&nbsp;</span>I also
                  recalled that some time back, Bob Spidell having to
                  find a new outlet for Valvoline 20W50 as it seemed
                  that it no longer cleared some California rule
                  changes. <span style=3D"">&nbsp;</span>I
                  wondered it this happened to Red Line.</span></p>
              <p class=3D"yiv1269161651MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:.00=
01pt;line-height:normal;"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p=
>
              <p class=3D"yiv1269161651MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:.00=
01pt;line-height:normal;"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;">So,
                  I sent off an inquiry to Red Line and not getting a
                  rapid response sent one to our Healey group. <span style=3D=
"">&nbsp;</span>The Healey group
                  was much faster to respond. <span style=3D"">&nbsp;</span>=
While most
                  business are slowed down by COVID-19, a Red Line
                  response did come. <span style=3D"">&nbsp;</span>The
                  assurance is that Red Line Motor Oil 10W40 (SKU 11404)
                  contains good ZDDP levels, plenty for an Austin
                  Healey's flat tappet cam and lifters; 1225ppm zinc and
                  more importantly 1375ppm phosphorus.<br style=3D"">
                  <br style=3D"">
                </span></p>
              <p class=3D"yiv1269161651MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:.00=
01pt;line-height:normal;"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;">As to their brea=
k in additive, their Web site
                  indicates that a half bottle is enough to add to a
                  conventional oil.<span style=3D"">&nbsp; </span>It
                  also has bit of sulfur, 16.6 grams.<span style=3D"">&nbsp;=
 </span>I have to
                  wonder if adding it to their 10W40 could result in too
                  much.<span style=3D"">&nbsp; </span>I am
                  just not inclined to experiment.</span></p>
              <p class=3D"yiv1269161651MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:.00=
01pt;line-height:normal;"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p=
>
              <p class=3D"yiv1269161651MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:.00=
01pt;line-height:normal;"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;">The
                  3000=E2=80=99s owner=E2=80=99s manual only mentions 30 wei=
ght oil,
                  even for tropical heat.<span style=3D"">&nbsp; </span>Howe=
ver, the =E2=80=9CWork shop Manual=E2=80=9D (the
                  Green Book) has a much more expansive table that
                  promotes a lot of weights depending on the
                  manufacturer.<span style=3D"">&nbsp; </span>The
                  aspect that modern oils are a bit different than those
                  available when the book came out adds a bit more
                  uncertainty.<span style=3D"">&nbsp; </span></span></p>
              <p class=3D"yiv1269161651MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:.00=
01pt;line-height:normal;"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p=
>
              <p class=3D"yiv1269161651MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:.00=
01pt;line-height:normal;"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;">I
                  am confident using the 10W40.<span style=3D"">&nbsp; </spa=
n>I used 10W50 in
                  my Triumph, but it was an air-cooled engine and was
                  REAL hard to start in freezing weather.<span style=3D"">&n=
bsp; </span>There were also
                  a lot of reputable recommendations that led me to Red
                  Line=E2=80=99s 10W40.<span style=3D"">&nbsp; </span>The
                  oil pressure is proper, so I don=E2=80=99t see an upside f=
or
                  me to use a heavier oil.</span></p>
              <p class=3D"yiv1269161651MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:.00=
01pt;line-height:normal;"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;">&nbsp;</span></p=
>
              <p class=3D"yiv1269161651MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:.00=
01pt;line-height:normal;"><span style=3D"font-size:14.0pt;">Many
                  thanks to the folks who responded.<span style=3D"">&nbsp; <=
/span></span></p>
              <p class=3D"yiv1269161651MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
4.0pt;line-height:107%;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">&nbsp;</span><=
/p>
              <p class=3D"yiv1269161651MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
4.0pt;line-height:107%;font-family:'Times New Roman', serif;">Bill</span></p=
>
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