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Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation sheet

To: "'Jean Caron'" <vintage_roadster_restoration@hotmail.com>, <simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com>, "'Perry Small'" <healeyguy@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation sheet
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Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 11:42:01 -0500
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I believe it is a bit more than just "dust" as if you were cutting it.
Asbestos is fiberous and the fibres are composed of microscopic components
that will shed with any abrasion, even simple handling.  The microscopic
fibrils become airborne and are easily inhaled.  They can also adhere to
your skin and clothing and be transferred later, after the job is finished.
I am no expert, but suspect a short, once-in-a-lifetime exposure are
probably not a risk, but why take even a small risk when exposure is easily
prevented.

 

What worries me is when I look back to when I was a kid working in a gas
station in the 60s and when the mechanics did a brake job, the first thing
they did after removing the brake drums was take an air hose and blow the
brake dust off the shoes and backing plate etc.  Of course brake material
had asbestos fibres in it back then and these clouds of black
asbestos-filled dust would fill the shop for us all to enjoy.

 

Cheers, Mirek

 

From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jean Caron
Sent: January 14, 2021 11:16 AM
To: simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com; 'Perry Small' <healeyguy@aol.com>
Cc: healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation sheet

 

I have always been told that it is the dust of asbestos that is dangerous,
not the board itself. I recall many years ago helping a friend with these on
his Austin-Healey and he was totally afraid of even removing these panels,
he was wearing a mask, and then a shield and gloves, that's even before they
had these "hazmat" suits. Meanwhile he smoked a pack to a pack and half of
cigarettes daily which eventually and unfortunately took his life.

 

Jean 

 

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From: simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com
Sent: January 14, 2021 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation sheet

 

Thank you to everyone regarding the sheet. 
I gave it a gentle pry, per Perry's advice, and then one rather less gentle.
It just popped off. Intact and without cracking or breaking. 
I wonder if it is asbestos. It looked to be in really good condition, but it
was there when I bought the car back in '96.
Anyhow, I was able to easily put the slide's 3 T-nuts in and reinstall the
sheet. All suitably masked of course.
Simon

-----Original Message-----
Sent: 11 January 2021 19:11
To: simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com
Subject: asbestos lookalike insulation sheet

Simon
Notice the square blocks attached to the big sheet. They have been known to
bond themselves to the bottom of the floor pan. Gentle pry them loose. 
Perry


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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I believe it is a bit more than =
just &#8220;dust&#8221; as if you were cutting it.&nbsp; Asbestos is =
fiberous and the fibres are composed of microscopic components that will =
shed with any abrasion, even simple handling.&nbsp; The microscopic =
fibrils become airborne and are easily inhaled.&nbsp; They can also =
adhere to your skin and clothing and be transferred later, after the job =
is finished.&nbsp; I am no expert, but suspect a short, =
once-in-a-lifetime exposure are probably not a risk, but why take even a =
small risk when exposure is easily prevented.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>What =
worries me is when I look back to when I was a kid working in a gas =
station in the 60s and when the mechanics did a brake job, the first =
thing they did after removing the brake drums was take an air hose and =
blow the brake dust off the shoes and backing plate etc.&nbsp; Of course =
brake material had asbestos fibres in it back then and these clouds of =
black asbestos-filled dust would fill the shop for us all to =
enjoy.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers, =
Mirek<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><di=
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0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Healeys =
&lt;healeys-bounces@autox.team.net&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jean =
Caron<br><b>Sent:</b> January 14, 2021 11:16 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com; 'Perry Small' =
&lt;healeyguy@aol.com&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
healeys@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] asbestos =
lookalike insulation sheet<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I have =
always been told that it is the dust of asbestos that is dangerous, not =
the board itself. I recall many years ago helping a friend with these on =
his Austin-Healey and he was totally afraid of even removing these =
panels, he was wearing a mask, and then a shield and gloves, =
that&#8217;s even before they had these &#8220;hazmat&#8221; suits. =
Meanwhile he smoked a pack to a pack and half of cigarettes daily which =
eventually and unfortunately took his life.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Jean =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
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Windows 10<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div =
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0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com";>simon.lachlan@alexareve=
l.plus.com</a><br><b>Sent: </b>January 14, 2021 8:47 AM<br><b>To: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:healeyguy@aol.com";>'Perry Small'</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><b>S=
ubject: </b>Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation =
sheet<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Thank you to everyone =
regarding the sheet. <br>I gave it a gentle pry, per Perry's advice, and =
then one rather less gentle.<br>It just popped off. Intact and without =
cracking or breaking. <br>I wonder if it is asbestos. It looked to be in =
really good condition, but it<br>was there when I bought the car back in =
'96.<br>Anyhow, I was able to easily put the slide's 3 T-nuts in and =
reinstall the<br>sheet. All suitably masked of =
course.<br>Simon<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Perry Small =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeyguy@aol.com";>healeyguy@aol.com</a>&gt; =
<br>Sent: 11 January 2021 19:11<br>To: <a =
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l.plus.com</a><br>Cc: <a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>Subj=
ect: asbestos lookalike insulation sheet<br><br>Simon<br>Notice the =
square blocks attached to the big sheet. They have been known to<br>bond =
themselves to the bottom of the floor pan. Gentle pry them loose. =
<br>Perry<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>S=
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