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To: Jean Caron <vintage_roadster_restoration@hotmail.com>, "healeys@autox.team.net" <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation sheet
From: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 13:22:27 -0800
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It was mentioned on a TV show a while back; IIRC, some residents wanted 
to change its name, but some didn't. Didn't look like it'd be much of a 
tourist destination, no matter what it's called.

On 1/14/2021 12:56 PM, Jean Caron wrote:
>
> There is a small city in Quebec called Asbestos and they used to have 
> an open mine there, not closed. You can see it on Google map, it is 
> located south east of Montreal.
>
> Jean
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows 10
>
> *Sent: *January 14, 2021 12:02 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation sheet
>
> Steve McQueen (the actor) died of mesothelioma. Urban legend says he 
> contracted it from working in a brake shop--Healey content: I believe 
> he campaigned a Sprite for a while--but it's more likely he got it in 
> the Navy. True to character, he was a 'bad boy' and for punishment was 
> assigned to clean up parts of the ships that were insulated with 
> asbestos. It wasn't an intentional death sentence; it was before the 
> dangers of asbestos were widely known.
>
> I caught a news item years ago about a city in Russia that got its 
> entire revenue from a nearby asbestos mine. The city is mostly 
> abandoned now, for good reason, but a few stragglers stuck aroun. One 
> was an octogenarian who had worked in the mine most of his life but 
> never got sick from it. Do they have lotteries in Russia? If so, he 
> should buy a ticket.
>
> On 1/14/2021 8:42 AM, m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca 
>
>     I believe it is a bit more than just ?dust? as if you were cutting
>     it.  Asbestos is fiberous and the fibres are composed of
>     microscopic components that will shed with any abrasion, even
>     simple handling.  The microscopic fibrils become airborne and are
>     easily inhaled.  They can also adhere to your skin and clothing
>     and be transferred later, after the job is finished.  I am no
>     expert, but suspect a short, once-in-a-lifetime exposure are
>     probably not a risk, but why take even a small risk when exposure
>     is easily prevented.
>
>     What worries me is when I look back to when I was a kid working in
>     a gas station in the 60s and when the mechanics did a brake job,
>     the first thing they did after removing the brake drums was take
>     an air hose and blow the brake dust off the shoes and backing
>     plate etc.  Of course brake material had asbestos fibres in it
>     back then and these clouds of black asbestos-filled dust would
>     fill the shop for us all to enjoy.
>
>     Cheers, Mirek
>
>     *From:*Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net>
>     *Sent:* January 14, 2021 11:16 AM
>     *To:* simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com
>     *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation sheet
>
>     I have always been told that it is the dust of asbestos that is
>     dangerous, not the board itself. I recall many years ago helping a
>     friend with these on his Austin-Healey and he was totally afraid
>     of even removing these panels, he was wearing a mask, and then a
>     shield and gloves, that?s even before they had these ?hazmat?
>     suits. Meanwhile he smoked a pack to a pack and half of cigarettes
>     daily which eventually and unfortunately took his life.
>
>     Jean
>
>     Sent from Mail
>     
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>     *From: *simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com
>     *Sent: *January 14, 2021 8:47 AM
>     *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation sheet
>
>     Thank you to everyone regarding the sheet.
>     I gave it a gentle pry, per Perry's advice, and then one rather
>     less gentle.
>     It just popped off. Intact and without cracking or breaking.
>     I wonder if it is asbestos. It looked to be in really good
>     condition, but it
>     was there when I bought the car back in '96.
>     Anyhow, I was able to easily put the slide's 3 T-nuts in and
>     reinstall the
>     sheet. All suitably masked of course.
>     Simon
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     Sent: 11 January 2021 19:11
>     To: simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com
>     Subject: asbestos lookalike insulation sheet
>
>     Simon
>     Notice the square blocks attached to the big sheet. They have been
>     known to
>     bond themselves to the bottom of the floor pan. Gentle pry them
>     loose.
>     Perry
>


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    It was mentioned on a TV show a while back; IIRC, some residents
    wanted to change its name, but some didn't. Didn't look like it'd be
    much of a tourist destination, no matter what it's called.<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/14/2021 12:56 PM, Jean Caron
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">There is a small city in Quebec called
          Asbestos and they used to have an open mine there, not closed.
          You can see it on Google map, it is located south east of
          Montreal.</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Jean</p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            </b><a href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";
              moz-do-not-send="true">Bob Spidell</a><br>
            <b>Sent: </b>January 14, 2021 12:02 PM<br>
            <b>To: </b><a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
              moz-do-not-send="true">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
            <b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation
            sheet</p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Steve McQueen
          (the actor) died of mesothelioma. Urban legend says he
          contracted it from working in a brake shop--Healey content: I
          believe he campaigned a Sprite for a while--but it's more
          likely he got it in the Navy. True to character, he was a 'bad
          boy' and for punishment was assigned to clean up parts of the
          ships that were insulated with asbestos. It wasn't an
          intentional death sentence; it was before the dangers of
          asbestos were widely known.<br>
          <br>
          I caught a news item years ago about a city in Russia that got
          its entire revenue from a nearby asbestos mine. The city is
          mostly abandoned now, for good reason, but a few stragglers
          stuck aroun. One was an octogenarian who had worked in the
          mine most of his life but never got sick from it. Do they have
          lotteries in Russia? If so, he should buy a ticket.<br>
          <br>
          <o:p></o:p></p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">On 1/14/2021 8:42 AM, <a
              href="mailto:m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca";
              moz-do-not-send="true">
              m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
        </div>
        <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
              believe it is a bit more than just ?dust? as if you were
              cutting it.  Asbestos is fiberous and the fibres are
              composed of microscopic components that will shed with any
              abrasion, even simple handling.  The microscopic fibrils
              become airborne and are easily inhaled.  They can also
              adhere to your skin and clothing and be transferred later,
              after the job is finished.  I am no expert, but suspect a
              short, once-in-a-lifetime exposure are probably not a
              risk, but why take even a small risk when exposure is
              easily prevented.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span 
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">What
              worries me is when I look back to when I was a kid working
              in a gas station in the 60s and when the mechanics did a
              brake job, the first thing they did after removing the
              brake drums was take an air hose and blow the brake dust
              off the shoes and backing plate etc.  Of course brake
              material had asbestos fibres in it back then and these
              clouds of black asbestos-filled dust would fill the shop
              for us all to enjoy.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span 
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Cheers,
              Mirek</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span 
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                  lang="EN-US"> Healeys
                  <a href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";
                    
moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;healeys-bounces@autox.team.net&gt;</a>
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jean Caron<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> January 14, 2021 11:16 AM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> <a
                    href="mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com";
                    
moz-do-not-send="true">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a>;
                  'Perry Small'
                  <a href="mailto:healeyguy@aol.com";
                    moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;healeyguy@aol.com&gt;</a><br>
                  <b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
                    moz-do-not-send="true">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike
                  insulation sheet</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">I have always been told that it is the
            dust of asbestos that is dangerous, not the board itself. I
            recall many years ago helping a friend with these on his
            Austin-Healey and he was totally afraid of even removing
            these panels, he was wearing a mask, and then a shield and
            gloves, that?s even before they had these ?hazmat? suits.
            Meanwhile he smoked a pack to a pack and half of cigarettes
            daily which eventually and unfortunately took his 
life.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Jean <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From: </b><a
                href="mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com";
                moz-do-not-send="true">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a><br>
              <b>Sent: </b>January 14, 2021 8:47 AM<br>
              <b>To: </b><a href="mailto:healeyguy@aol.com";
                moz-do-not-send="true">'Perry Small'</a><br>
              <b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
                moz-do-not-send="true">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
              <b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike
              insulation sheet<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Thank you to
            everyone regarding the sheet.
            <br>
            I gave it a gentle pry, per Perry's advice, and then one
            rather less gentle.<br>
            It just popped off. Intact and without cracking or breaking.
            <br>
            I wonder if it is asbestos. It looked to be in really good
            condition, but it<br>
            was there when I bought the car back in '96.<br>
            Anyhow, I was able to easily put the slide's 3 T-nuts in and
            reinstall the<br>
            sheet. All suitably masked of course.<br>
            Simon<br>
            <br>
            -----Original Message-----<br>
            From: Perry Small &lt;<a href="mailto:healeyguy@aol.com";
              moz-do-not-send="true">healeyguy@aol.com</a>&gt; <br>
            Sent: 11 January 2021 19:11<br>
            To: <a href="mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com";
              moz-do-not-send="true">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a><br>
            Cc: <a href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
              moz-do-not-send="true">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
            Subject: asbestos lookalike insulation sheet<br>
            <br>
            Simon<br>
            Notice the square blocks attached to the big sheet. They
            have been known to<br>
            bond themselves to the bottom of the floor pan. Gentle pry
            them loose. <br>
            Perry<br>
            <br>
            <o:p></o:p></p>
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