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When I was a student, various of my friends had Healeys, TRs and =
similar.
Also an E-Type which proved to be lethal. I wanted a Healey. At about =
the
same time, my father made me an offer. Same offer I made to my kids=85 =
=93If you
want a car, get a job and earn some money. I=92ll match whatever you =
earn and
you=92ll be able to get something half way decent.=94=20
I replied that I wanted an AH3000 to which he, quite sensibly, said, =
=93OK.
You=92re on your own=94.
We lived in Surrey so not many places where a student could make any =
serious
money. =93Temple Tubes=94 was the top choice. Manufacturer of sewage =
pipes to
the gentry! Basically, they took old paper and minced it into a pulp =
with
water and the magic ingredient. The pulp was then rolled out on to 8 ft
rollers which were dried in a long oven and then soaked in boiling =
pitch.
The magic ingredient was, as you=92ve guessed, asbestos powder. Students =
were
often given the bum jobs and one of my tasks was to unload the 100lb =
paper
sacks of asbestos powder from trucks onto a kind of mezzanine above the
mixer. The stuff came, I think, from Canada and was in a shocking =
condition.
Bags all split and powder everywhere. Masks? Gloves? You jest.=20
There was some consciousness that asbestos was =93a bad thing=94 but we =
gathered
that our stuff was =93Blue=94, which was OK, not =93White=94 which was =
not OK. Or
was it the other way round? Anyhow, wish me luck!
Oh, and I did get my 3000. =A3400:00 if I remember it right. It was a =
MkII
BT7, sideshift. Colarado Red. Lousy gearbox, rotten interior. But I =
loved
it. It didn=92t appear to be a mutual love affair. It caught fire as I =
was
driving onto the Holyhead to Dublin ferry. And a rear wire wheel =
collapsed
big time whilst cornering too fast.
As to Steve McQueen, I recall various RN warships of the era, asbestos
lagging everywhere. I recall Dad saying that the ships galleys ran on
=93super-heated steam=94 from the engine room. Which is why they had =
cold food
when closed down on action stations. Rather them than me.
Simon
=20
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bob Spidell
Sent: 14 January 2021 17:45
To: healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation sheet
=20
Steve McQueen (the actor) died of mesothelioma. Urban legend says he
contracted it from working in a brake shop--Healey content: I believe he
campaigned a Sprite for a while--but it's more likely he got it in the =
Navy.
True to character, he was a 'bad boy' and for punishment was assigned to
clean up parts of the ships that were insulated with asbestos. It wasn't =
an
intentional death sentence; it was before the dangers of asbestos were
widely known.
I caught a news item years ago about a city in Russia that got its =
entire
revenue from a nearby asbestos mine. The city is mostly abandoned now, =
for
good reason, but a few stragglers stuck aroun. One was an octogenarian =
who
had worked in the mine most of his life but never got sick from it. Do =
they
have lotteries in Russia? If so, he should buy a ticket.
On 1/14/2021 8:42 AM, m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca =
wrote:
I believe it is a bit more than just =93dust=94 as if you were cutting =
it.
Asbestos is fiberous and the fibres are composed of microscopic =
components
that will shed with any abrasion, even simple handling. The microscopic
fibrils become airborne and are easily inhaled. They can also adhere to
your skin and clothing and be transferred later, after the job is =
finished.
I am no expert, but suspect a short, once-in-a-lifetime exposure are
probably not a risk, but why take even a small risk when exposure is =
easily
prevented.
=20
What worries me is when I look back to when I was a kid working in a gas
station in the 60s and when the mechanics did a brake job, the first =
thing
they did after removing the brake drums was take an air hose and blow =
the
brake dust off the shoes and backing plate etc. Of course brake =
material
had asbestos fibres in it back then and these clouds of black
asbestos-filled dust would fill the shop for us all to enjoy.
=20
Cheers, Mirek
=20
<healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jean Caron
Sent: January 14, 2021 11:16 AM
To: simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com
Subject: Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation sheet
=20
I have always been told that it is the dust of asbestos that is =
dangerous,
not the board itself. I recall many years ago helping a friend with =
these on
his Austin-Healey and he was totally afraid of even removing these =
panels,
he was wearing a mask, and then a shield and gloves, that=92s even =
before they
had these =93hazmat=94 suits. Meanwhile he smoked a pack to a pack and =
half of
cigarettes daily which eventually and unfortunately took his life.
=20
Jean=20
=20
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986> for =
Windows
10
=20
From: simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com
Sent: January 14, 2021 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation sheet
=20
Thank you to everyone regarding the sheet.=20
I gave it a gentle pry, per Perry's advice, and then one rather less =
gentle.
It just popped off. Intact and without cracking or breaking.=20
I wonder if it is asbestos. It looked to be in really good condition, =
but it
was there when I bought the car back in '96.
Anyhow, I was able to easily put the slide's 3 T-nuts in and reinstall =
the
sheet. All suitably masked of course.
Simon
-----Original Message-----
Sent: 11 January 2021 19:11
To: simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com
Subject: asbestos lookalike insulation sheet
Simon
Notice the square blocks attached to the big sheet. They have been known =
to
bond themselves to the bottom of the floor pan. Gentle pry them loose.=20
Perry
=20
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vlink=3Dpurple style=3D'word-wrap:break-word'><div =
class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>When I was a student, various of my =
friends had Healeys, TRs and similar. Also an E-Type which proved to be =
lethal. I wanted a Healey. At about the same time, my father made me an =
offer. Same offer I made to my kids… “If you want a car, get =
a job and earn some money. I’ll match whatever you earn and =
you’ll be able to get something half way decent.” =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I replied that I wanted an AH3000 =
to which he, quite sensibly, said, “OK. You’re on your =
own”.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>We lived in Surrey so not many =
places where a student could make any serious money. “Temple =
Tubes” was the top choice. Manufacturer of sewage pipes to the =
gentry! Basically, they took old paper and minced it into a pulp with =
water and the magic ingredient. The pulp was then rolled out on to 8 ft =
rollers which were dried in a long oven and then soaked in boiling =
pitch. The magic ingredient was, as you’ve guessed, asbestos =
powder. Students were often given the bum jobs and one of my tasks was =
to unload the 100lb paper sacks of asbestos powder from trucks onto a =
kind of mezzanine above the mixer. The stuff came, I think, from Canada =
and was in a shocking condition. Bags all split and powder everywhere. =
Masks? Gloves? You jest. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>There was =
some consciousness that asbestos was “a bad thing” but we =
gathered that our stuff was “Blue”, which was OK, not =
“White” which was not OK. Or was it the other way round? =
Anyhow, wish me luck!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Oh, and I did get my 3000. =
=A3400:00 if I remember it right. It was a MkII BT7, sideshift. Colarado =
Red. Lousy gearbox, rotten interior. But I loved it. It didn’t =
appear to be a mutual love affair. It caught fire as I was driving onto =
the Holyhead to Dublin ferry. And a rear wire wheel collapsed big time =
whilst cornering too fast.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>As to Steve =
McQueen, I recall various RN warships of the era, asbestos lagging =
everywhere. I recall Dad saying that the ships galleys ran on =
“super-heated steam” from the engine room. Which is why they =
had cold food when closed down on action stations. Rather them than =
me.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Simon<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><di=
v style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Healeys =
<healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob =
Spidell<br><b>Sent:</b> 14 January 2021 17:45<br><b>To:</b> =
healeys@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] asbestos =
lookalike insulation sheet<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Steve McQueen (the actor) died of =
mesothelioma. Urban legend says he contracted it from working in a brake =
shop--Healey content: I believe he campaigned a Sprite for a while--but =
it's more likely he got it in the Navy. True to character, he was a 'bad =
boy' and for punishment was assigned to clean up parts of the ships that =
were insulated with asbestos. It wasn't an intentional death sentence; =
it was before the dangers of asbestos were widely known.<br><br>I caught =
a news item years ago about a city in Russia that got its entire revenue =
from a nearby asbestos mine. The city is mostly abandoned now, for good =
reason, but a few stragglers stuck aroun. One was an octogenarian who =
had worked in the mine most of his life but never got sick from it. Do =
they have lotteries in Russia? If so, he should buy a =
ticket.<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On 1/14/2021 =
8:42 AM, <a =
href=3D"mailto:m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca";>m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca</a> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I believe =
it is a bit more than just “dust” as if you were cutting =
it. Asbestos is fiberous and the fibres are composed of =
microscopic components that will shed with any abrasion, even simple =
handling. The microscopic fibrils become airborne and are easily =
inhaled. They can also adhere to your skin and clothing and be =
transferred later, after the job is finished. I am no expert, but =
suspect a short, once-in-a-lifetime exposure are probably not a risk, =
but why take even a small risk when exposure is easily =
prevented.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>What =
worries me is when I look back to when I was a kid working in a gas =
station in the 60s and when the mechanics did a brake job, the first =
thing they did after removing the brake drums was take an air hose and =
blow the brake dust off the shoes and backing plate etc. Of course =
brake material had asbestos fibres in it back then and these clouds of =
black asbestos-filled dust would fill the shop for us all to =
enjoy.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Cheers, =
Mirek</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><di=
v style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Healeys <a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";><healeys-bounces@autox.=
team.net></a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jean Caron<br><b>Sent:</b> January =
14, 2021 11:16 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com";>simon.lachlan@alexareve=
l.plus.com</a>; 'Perry Small' <a =
href=3D"mailto:healeyguy@aol.com";><healeyguy@aol.com></a><br><b>Cc:=
</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><b>S=
ubject:</b> Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation =
sheet</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I have =
always been told that it is the dust of asbestos that is dangerous, not =
the board itself. I recall many years ago helping a friend with these on =
his Austin-Healey and he was totally afraid of even removing these =
panels, he was wearing a mask, and then a shield and gloves, =
that’s even before they had these “hazmat” suits. =
Meanwhile he smoked a pack to a pack and half of cigarettes daily which =
eventually and unfortunately took his life.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Jean =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from <a =
href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986";>Mail</a> for =
Windows 10<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com";>simon.lachlan@alexareve=
l.plus.com</a><br><b>Sent: </b>January 14, 2021 8:47 AM<br><b>To: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:healeyguy@aol.com";>'Perry Small'</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><b>S=
ubject: </b>Re: [Healeys] asbestos lookalike insulation =
sheet<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Thank you to everyone =
regarding the sheet. <br>I gave it a gentle pry, per Perry's advice, and =
then one rather less gentle.<br>It just popped off. Intact and without =
cracking or breaking. <br>I wonder if it is asbestos. It looked to be in =
really good condition, but it<br>was there when I bought the car back in =
'96.<br>Anyhow, I was able to easily put the slide's 3 T-nuts in and =
reinstall the<br>sheet. All suitably masked of =
course.<br>Simon<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Perry Small =
<<a href=3D"mailto:healeyguy@aol.com";>healeyguy@aol.com</a>> =
<br>Sent: 11 January 2021 19:11<br>To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com";>simon.lachlan@alexareve=
l.plus.com</a><br>Cc: <a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";>healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>Subj=
ect: asbestos lookalike insulation sheet<br><br>Simon<br>Notice the =
square blocks attached to the big sheet. They have been known to<br>bond =
themselves to the bottom of the floor pan. Gentle pry them loose. =
<br>Perry<br><br><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p =
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