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To: john harper <ah100tech@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Late Monday night rant.
From: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 09:51:46 -0800
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Nope. All wires were otherwise accounted-for; two were 'cross-colored.' 
The harness was brand new; I don't know of any that supply extra wiring 
for separate turn signals, but I haven't looked (would be a good idea, 
though).
bs

On 1/19/2021 9:05 AM, john harper wrote:
> Bob
> Could it be a wrong wire or an additional one?
>
> I and many others in the UK feel that with just two red lights coming 
> on is very confusing particularly as one enters a corner and brakes. 
> This confusing array is therefore dangerous. In the UK amber 
> turn lights have been mandatory for many years. Younger drivers 
> would not understand anything but amber.
>
> The mod we make for the back of the car is to add amber lights 
> connected on the existing wires but connect both red stoplights to 
> this additional wire. At the relay box, all is needed is one wire 
> being redirected to the new wire.
>
> On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 at 16:10, Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net 
>
>     Michael,
>
>     I feel your pain. My dad got a new harness for our BN2 (probably
>     from Moss). I thought the harness was good quality overall, and
>     everything worked except the turn signals. I spent 3 days
>     double-checking everything; we went so far as to open the relay
>     box, but everything looked good in there. I eventually discovered
>     the wiring to one of the rear brake/turn lights was mis-colored.
>     This really pissed me off, as I'd wired a bare chassis just from
>     the schematic and it would have been 100% correct if not for the
>     misidentified wire. I'll probably never sell the car, but whoever
>     ends up with it will be confused, as a couple of wires are
>     interchanged from the schematic. Come to think of it, I should
>     probably label the flaw ... as soon as I finish all the other
>     stuff needs fixin'.
>
>     Bob
>
>     On 1/18/2021 11:38 PM, Michael MacLean wrote:
>>     Was in the engine bay doing some preliminary wiring of components
>>     tonight. Specifically, the fuse block and the voltage regulator. 
>>     Looking at a wiring diagram, the way you see in the two pictures
>>     is mostly correct, but look at what the arrows are pointing at. 
>>     At the point in the harness where the wires come out of the loom
>>     for the fuse block, you can see on the right hand side the arrow
>>     is pointing to a brown wire with a green stripe.  Good so far. 
>>     Now look what the arrow is pointing at on the other side of the
>>     fuse block.  It's a large solid brown wire.  Now in the wiring
>>     diagram this brown wire is supposed to be a continuation of the
>>     brown with a green stripe wire.  That brown wire with the green
>>     strip that was supposed to be there goes to the "A" connection of
>>     the voltage regulator. Now look at the picture of the voltage
>>     regulator and notice what the orange arrow is pointing at. It is
>>     the other end of the plain, large brown wire!  The electrical
>>     connections are correct.  The color coding of the harness is
>>     not.  I have just started wiring. What else might I find in the
>>     rest of the harness? This harness was a gift from my late friend
>>     Tom Rocke.  It was one of many free parts he supplied for this
>>     rebuild.  Don't know if I should complain about a free harness.
>>     Mike MacLean
>>
>
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    Nope. All wires were otherwise accounted-for; two were
    'cross-colored.' The harness was brand new; I don't know of any that
    supply extra wiring for separate turn signals, but I haven't looked
    (would be a good idea, though).<br>
    bs<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/19/2021 9:05 AM, john harper
      wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAL28cLV2U8o5Dfc=ASO=yjau4uZv_mzysoSpCsB2ZK2evWadhw@mail.gmail.com">
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      <div dir="ltr">Bob
        <div>Could it be a wrong wire or an additional one?</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>I and many others in the UK feel that with just two red
          lights coming on is very confusing particularly as one enters
          a corner and brakes. This confusing array is therefore
          dangerous. In the UK amber turn lights have been mandatory for
          many years. Younger drivers would not understand anything but
          amber.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>The mod we make for the back of the car is to add amber
          lights connected on the existing wires but connect both red
          stoplights to this additional wire. At the relay box, all is
          needed is one wire being redirected to the new wire.</div>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">
        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 at 16:10,
          Bob Spidell &lt;<a href="mailto:bspidell@comcast.net";
            moz-do-not-send="true">bspidell@comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
          0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
          <div> Michael,<br>
            <br>
            I feel your pain. My dad got a new harness for our BN2
            (probably from Moss). I thought the harness was good quality
            overall, and everything worked except the turn signals. I
            spent 3 days double-checking everything; we went so far as
            to open the relay box, but everything looked good in there.
            I eventually discovered the wiring to one of the rear
            brake/turn lights was mis-colored. This really pissed me
            off, as I'd wired a bare chassis just from the schematic and
            it would have been 100% correct if not for the misidentified
            wire. I'll probably never sell the car, but whoever ends up
            with it will be confused, as a couple of wires are
            interchanged from the schematic. Come to think of it, I
            should probably label the flaw ... as soon as I finish all
            the other stuff needs fixin'.<br>
            <br>
            Bob<br>
            <br>
            <div>On 1/18/2021 11:38 PM, Michael MacLean wrote:<br>
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                <div dir="ltr">Was in the engine bay doing some
                  preliminary wiring of components tonight. 
                  Specifically, the fuse block and the voltage
                  regulator.  Looking at a wiring diagram, the way you
                  see in the two pictures is mostly correct, but look at
                  what the arrows are pointing at.  At the point in the
                  harness where the wires come out of the loom for the
                  fuse block, you can see on the right hand side the
                  arrow is pointing to a brown wire with a green
                  stripe.  Good so far.  Now look what the arrow is
                  pointing at on the other side of the fuse block.  It's
                  a large solid brown wire.  Now in the wiring diagram
                  this brown wire is supposed to be a continuation of
                  the brown with a green stripe wire.  That brown wire
                  with the green strip that was supposed to be there
                  goes to the "A" connection of the voltage regulator. 
                  Now look at the picture of the voltage regulator and
                  notice what the orange arrow is pointing at. It is the
                  other end of the plain, large brown wire!  The
                  electrical connections are correct.  The color coding
                  of the harness is not.  I have just started wiring. 
                  What else might I find in the rest of the harness? 
                  This harness was a gift from my late friend Tom
                  Rocke.  It was one of many free parts he supplied for
                  this rebuild.  Don't know if I should complain about a
                  free harness.</div>
                <div dir="ltr">Mike MacLean<br>
                </div>
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