Mike, sooooo, it will be possible to run under FIM/FIA rules in establishing
BNI internation records, right?
And in doing so, we could only incur an additional expense of course prep,
right?
And basically be able to run under FIM/FIA rules, establish BNI international
records, with the FIM/FIA present, and choose NOT to pay for their signature on
the record
I am REALLY liking this, if so. Because this PUTS the FIA/FIM in an
interesting (to me anyway)
position: they ALREADY readily/historically sign off on SCTA clockings as
legit/certifiable,
and they will have to contemplate the reality of records being set
according to their rules, with their ok on the speeds, but NOT gain their
signature
This would be nice, as the FIA might show up without the FIM, we could run
according to
FIM rules, go as fast as we can, have a record, and let people decide for
themselves, how to
consider the record in the grand scheme of things
ie: yes it was done under FIM rules, the FIA certified the clocks, yes it was
the fastest one liter
flying mile ever
if Burkland's ran a two way average at World Finals last year at say 435mph,
why wouldnt it be
the WORLDS fastest wheel driven record?????
if Burklands run a two way average at World of Speed to FIA rules, to establish
a BNI international record
at say 435mph, but does not pay the FIA fee, why wouldnt it be the WOrlds
fastest wheel driven record??
Joe
Mike Manghelli wrote:
> Ok, I knew there were motorcycle guys and gals out there but, I ignored that
> to get some points across.
>
> The answer is NO. I can hear you now...... We are working on FIM
> sanctioning for the motorcycle guys at World Finals, since the FIA does not
> have a class for motorcycles. Now, most motorcycle records for the FIM are
> set with streamliners, so where does that leave Joe and Jon with their bike?
> We were going to allow you to run on the FIA/FIM/BNI international course if
> you could run within 3% of the existing FIM record for the class your bike
> would run against. We were only allowing this because we understand that
> some of you guys are going faster with street bikes than the FIM
> streamliners have set records at. And Yes, you were going to pay for the
> extra course prep and also the sanctioning fee for the AMA and FIM, just
> like the car guys do for the SCCA and FIA. Would this be a BNI
> international record also? Because the World Finals got canceled this year
> the SCTA/BNI board did not get that far, but my opinion is yes... Now
> remember that we were going to have two courses at the World Finals; regular
> 5 mile SCTA/BNI course and an 11 mile FIA/FIM/BNI international course.
> Cars for international records were going to be on the 11 mile course! All
> the rest of us lowly SCTA/BNI racers were going to be on the 5 mile course
> (unless you only qualified for short, then you could only run 3 of the 5.
> here again the SCTA/BNI will not allow a longer course than defined for
> their records.)
>
> Again, the BNI international records are there because of the cost and
> length of time it takes the FIA to certify (announce, publish) the record.
> We are trying to make our racers happy!
>
> Mike (not stirring the pot, just trying to present facts) Manghelli
> SCTA President
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Amo <jkamo@rapidnet.com>
> Subject: Re: International Records
>
> >Mike, looking at #5. Is there any provision for us to come to World
> Finals,
> >and run for BNI internation records on the regular course? Meaning can I
> run a
> >bike, according to FIA rules, on the regular long course? If so then is
> there
> >any extra cost involved since I am not running on the long course that
> requires
> >additional course prep? You mentioned that the BNI international records
> are
> >available to set records by the FIA rules as a lower cost alternative to
> paying
> >the FIA fee. Does this truly mean that we can come run at World Finals,
> abiding
> >by FIA rules, on the long course, at regular WF fees?
> >
> >At any rate, running a meet and abiding by FIA rules, without them present
> is a
> >very intriguing idea, as they really would have a tough time refuting the
> SCTA
> >records as World Records, as they already sign off on the authenticity of
> the
> >SCTA certified speed clockings.
> >
> >Joe :)
> >
> >Mike Manghelli wrote:
> >>
> >> 4. Distance of runs; To ensure the highest of integrity the SCTA/BNI
> will
> >> only allow our records to run on two different courses, they are; Short
> >> course, a two mile approach to one mile timed trap. Long course a two
> mile
> >> approach to 3, one mile timed traps. The only exception exists for FIA
> and
> >> BNI international records. The BNI international record is established
> >> under the exact same criteria as an FIA record. The FIA does not
> stipulate
> >> the length of approach to the timed mile and or Kilo trap (ref page 108
> >> SCTA/BNI 200 rule book).
> >>
> >> 5. Why BNI international records? Competitors wanted a lower cost
> >> alternate to being recognized than the FIA. (you have already been told
> >> about the LSA, that was the whole purpose for that organization) We
> >> (SCTA/BNI) are providing that by following all FIA rules (including 1 hr
> >> turn around) during the event and then recognizing them in our rule book.
> >> So if you want the "extra" length of the course you must run FIA/BNI
> >> international. Does this cost extra? Only for course preparation, (last
> >> year was going to be double the $360 entry fee). Can I run my roadster
> on
> >> the FIA/BNI international course? NO. Only streamliners and lakesters
> are
> >> allowed on the extra long course. Once again SCTA/BNI wants to uphold
> the
> >> integrity of their records and will not allow a roadster or coupe the
> chance
> >> to run on an extended course. Even if they do not set a record, we do
> not
> >> want to let Keith run a five mile approach to the timed mile and have the
> >> "bragging rights" over some one else. That is not fair, just like trying
> to
> >> compare, Bonneville, El Mirage, Muroc and Maxton records.
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