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Re: Back..- roundabouts and Italians

To: "Telewest \(PH\)" <>,
Subject: Re: Back..- roundabouts and Italians
From: "Hans Duinhoven" <>
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 07:45:42 +0200
The most stupid thing is to have a roundabout WITH traffic lights.
Many normal crosings are converted to roundabouts on the European continent
and by this improving the traffic flow.
Roundabouts are made for this by nature with low maintenance cost.
Putting traffic lights at the entry points of a roundabout destroys all of
Why is a traffic light put there Paul?



----- Original Message -----
From: "Telewest (PH)" <>
To: "David Breneman" <>; <>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: Back..- roundabouts and Italians

> Europe has so-called mini-roundabouts which are just a blob of white paint
> in the middle of a four-way intersection.  Sexist as it may be, I have
> several women arrive at such a roundabout and all stop waiting for the
> others to go first, whereas blokes are more likely to barge out unless
> something bigger is coming.
> Then you get large roundabouts with sets of traffic lights all the way
> meaning it can take several minutes of stop-start driving to get a few
> even in light traffic
> If a roundabout has lanes then usually the entry (and exit) has lanes too.
> So you pick your entry lane, and hence your circulating lane, according to
> the exit you require.  A roundabout is only as good as the people using
> and IME poor driving skills show up here more than anyone else.
> A pet hate is people who indicate right (in the UK) while going round a
> roundabout, which is stupid as they have no other choice and they wouldn't
> do it taking a bend anywhere else, then exit left still indicating right
> compounding the incompetance.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Breneman" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 5:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Back..- roundabouts and Italians
> > ...  Unlike the ones in Europe
> > or some east coast (US) cities, these are tiny (no larger than
> > a regular 4-way-stop intersection) and poorly designed.
> >
> > How in the heck are you supposed to enter the roundabout,
> > get into the inside lane, get back into the outside lane,
> > and exit all in 50 feet?

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