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Re: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force diagram?

To: gswaybright@yahoo.com, tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force diagram?
From: MWood24020@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:33:33 -0500 (EST)
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Full-name: MWood24020
The only observation I'd make is the rubber bushing design does not allow  
for any possible de-coupling of the torque arm under braking. As others have 
 pointed out, there are a number of other variables at play here, including 
wheel  rates f/r, dampers used, brake bias etc, that could either magnify 
or lessen the  effect.
 
The other thing I'm thinking about is the instant center and anti squat, in 
 terms of off corner/on throttle affect.
 
I believe the torque arm brings forces into play which I'd prefer to avoid, 
 if possible. The one thing I do like is the ability to have good forward 
bite  with softer rear spring rates and the lack of bind in roll.
 
 
In a message dated 2/12/2013 5:31:40 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
gswaybright@yahoo.com writes:

Ron,
I think the main variable is the specific design of the  torque arm
(geometry, construction and mounting techniques). I assume the  production 
GM
F-body design has many compromises due to cost and packaging.  I'd expect a
well engineered aftermarket setup would avoid the performance  related 
concerns
on brake lockup unless it was designed primarily for  straight line
applications.

With this in mind, I'd have little  concern on how Dan's works,
or my Griggs Racing setup. I will admit that I  have yet to risk my Tiger by
pushing hard enough to find the limits,  especially since my Spec Miata is 
so
much ea$ier to replace in a worst case  scenario.

Stephen 
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From: Ron  Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com>
To:
genepadgett@comcast.net; 'Bob H'  <tgrrr@meadowcrk.com> 
Cc: 'Tigers'
<tigers@autox.team.net>  
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 6:51 PM
Subject: Re:
[Tigers]  Torque Arm under braking force diagram?

It seems to me we  might
be missing some variables with the setup
since there are variable  results. 
Possibly different front or rear spring
rates or maybe brake  pads and type of
tire.

I'm going to throw in another idea.   Anyone look at Air Ride technology
for
the Tiger?

Ron  Fraser

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Of  genepadgett@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 5:26 PM
To: Bob  H
Cc: Tigers
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force  diagram?
Bob,

Many thanks for sharing your rather sobering spinout  experiences and the
technical information. The latter is going to take me  more than one read to
understand everything, but I am getting the picture!  I am thinking that the
Tiger's short wheel base is not helping things in  our particular
application.
I am inclined to enjoy twisty roads whenever  found (and hopefully more
autocrossing in the future). A potential  unpleasant surprise under heavy
emergency braking in a sharp corner is not  something I want to risk. If I
was
just drag racing, or doing stop light  burnouts, that would be a much
different
situation.

Fellow  Listers,

I, for one, am still looking forward to hearing
any  experiences with the
Caltrac system. It appears to only control  axle
rotation in the acceleration
mode and the axle is otherwise  unrestrained in
braking. Seems like a good
application for the Tiger, in  theory at least.
Gene



----- Original Message -----
From:  "Bob H" <tgrrr@meadowcrk.com>
To:
"Tigers"  <tigers@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:31:30  PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Torque Arm under braking force diagram?

For  the more
technically oriented in this  group:
http://www.unbalancedengineering.com/Product_Development/Development%20of%20
the%20Unbalanced%20Engineering%20Decoupled%20Torque%20Arm.pdf
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