I think Bill Devin sold the aluminum Girlings, maybe even had them made.
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> On Mar 9, 2018, at 1:54 PM, Bill via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Peyote has genuine Girling calipers that look pretty much like the lead boat
> anchors, but they are cast aluminum. As I recall they came from some GP car
> and are rare as hen?s teeth, more than a bit fragile, and bend enough to
> taper the bejesus out of the pads if you get enthusiastic, and have a very
> loose grip on any threads cut into them. I?d rather use Wilwoods, and I could
> probably get away with them most places. I have a set that came from my
> ridiculous NASCAR TR3, but nah.
>
> Cheater is a relative term in vintage racing. If you?re doing something
> egregious to push yourself to the front of the pack, then yeah, you?re a
> cheater. If you?re just tired of replacing the part that breaks every time
> you miss a shift or hit a hard bump, then maybe not so much. I?d rather the
> guy trying to outbrake me coming into the chicane have calipers that work
> than something ?legal?. But that?s me. Peyote is an easy car to cheat with.
> Who knows what it originally had. I?ve resisted the temptation more or less,
> because it already works really well. I like to run tires that grip
> predictably?call me crazy?but I?m willing to skate around on Dunlops when the
> organizers insist. I?m just not gonna buy any new ones. My Dunlops will never
> wear out, they?ve aged into about the same durometer rating as rollerblade
> wheels.
>
> Honestly, at this point, how much does it matter? Too many of the real race
> cars that used to make vintage races so special are collection queens and
> will never be seriously driven again?certainly not among us hoi polloi at our
> ratty little local events. Authentic and legal race bits for the assortment
> of production cars turned into race cars that make up the usual grid often
> can?t be sourced, and if they can, they?re crap. Have fun, don?t break, don?t
> crash.
>
>> On Mar 9, 2018, at 6:16 AM, Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Ahhhh, That was "Tough Love", Kas.
>>
>> I was a vintage racer for over thirty years, and it was my experience that
>> while the Vintage Sanctioning Bodies all seemed to have good intentions
>> maintaining 'legal' race cars, they really did not have the horse power, nor
>> where with-all to police such matters effectively. At one point the VSCDA
>> came up with an idea to get the individual Race Groups heavily involved in
>> policing. There were group Captains. Things improved for a while.
>> Cheaters were exposed. But eventually it went away. Too much bickering.
>> The GAIN did not exceed the PAIN. No one wanted to be Captain. The idea
>> went away.
>>
>> Bill Dentinger
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kas Kastner <kaskastner at gmail.com>
>> To: BillDentin at aol.com <billdentin at aol.com>
>> Cc: John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com>; fot at autox. team. net <fot at
>> autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Thu, Mar 8, 2018 9:47 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Has anybody ran these new brake calipers?
>>
>> In the 50's to early 70's days of the California Sports Car Club, if you
>> were caught, and many were, with parts or items that were not allowed you
>> were given a chance to defend yourself at the Contest Board meeting (once a
>> month) and if they found proof you were guilty as charged, you lost your
>> license for a YEAR. That's it, you did not race for a year in any class.
>>
>> I ran the Rules Enforcement group and was on the Contest Board which
>> consisted of current drivers in several classes. It was found most of the
>> cheating took place from about 6th place back to about 10th place. Nothing
>> much before that position or after the 10th place. Some entrants never
>> understood that other drivers REALLY were FAST and thus they thought the
>> leaders were the cheaters and that just was not true at all. Interesting. No
>> one wanted to have the name "cheater" attached to their name. Several cars
>> were checked each race by lottery for cubic capacity, weight, gears ratios,
>> body panels and other major parts. It was pretty pure racing.
>>
>> Never be beaten by equipment.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 6:59 PM, Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at
>> autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Good for SVRA. If I were the Vintage Grand Poo Pah, I would take a note of
>> tire cheaters on the False Grid, and then bring em in with a Meat Ball Flag
>> after one lap in the Feature Race.
>>
>> Bill Dentinger
>>
>> PS Three sets of tires needed. One for qualifying...one for the feature
>> race...and a special set for Tech. That latter set can be experienced, but
>> must have a minimum tread depth.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 8, 2018, at 2:08 PM, John Styduhar via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> The only item that SVRA regularly checks is tires from my experience. And
>> they do that at each gridding.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 2:49 PM, Paul Ricco via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>> We have not had issues with stock calipers. We run Hawk or Carbotech brake
>> pads and good brake fluid. We do bleed the brakes regularly and all seems
>> to be working good.
>>
>> It would be nice to get the benefit of less unsprung weight on the front
>> suspension by switching to aluminum. However, I do not know of any vintage
>> organization that really allows it by their rules. We all know that that do
>> not get enforced on a regular basis. However, I do think SVRA has made a
>> great effort to get people to use a stock type caliper at their events.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> On Mar 8, 2018, at 11:26 AM, Chris Marx via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I?m still using the original brakes the car came with.
>> I?ve put in some nice brake pads and that is working well for me.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>>
>> Von: Fot <fot-bounces at autox.team.net> Im Auftrag von DAVE HOGYE via Fot
>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. M?rz 2018 17:28
>> An: Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com>
>> Cc: Friends of Triumph' Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Betreff: Re: [Fot] Has anybody ran these new brake calipers?
>>
>> Good call, Scott. The Wilwood calipers are aluminum, but otherwise look
>> very similar to the the P or PB calipers.
>>
>> DH
>> On March 8, 2018 at 8:21 AM Scott Janzen <sjanzen at me.com> wrote:
>>
>> good to check your club rules first though, if enforced. VRG says you need
>> to use the original equipment, and SVRA says
>> Alternate calipers or wheel cylinders must be of the same material, design
>> and number of pistons as the original component. There must be no increase
>> in the frictional surface of the pads or shoes.
>>
>> On Mar 8, 2018, at 11:09 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> The quality of the new calipers is somewhat suspect, but seem to work as
>> needed.
>> The first pair that I bought from BPNW had a yellow (anodized ?) finish with
>> numbers in the castings. The second pair from BPNW 4 years later have a
>> silver finish and no numbers in the casting which made me wonder about the
>> quality.
>> My first set has been on my car from 2013. 13 race weekends a total of
>> 3,800 miles.
>> Wilwood makes beautiful replacements now. They are anodized black. I far
>> as I can tell, they will fit our Triumphs, but haven't made a complete
>> comparison. Of course the price is higher, but more equivalent to the
>> importance of good brakes.
>>
>> DH
>>
>> On March 8, 2018 at 2:54 AM Henry Frye via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I have seen these available for a while now, but fear they are made
>> somewhere we don't want to know from materials I don't want to think
>> about. I'm not brave enough to put one of these on a street car, let
>> alone my race car.
>>
>> Has anybody tried these calipers yet? Any feedback???
>>
>> As long as good cores are available for 16P's, I'm rebuilding OEM
>> calipers.
>>
>> Henry
>>
>> On 2018-03-07 23:24, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote:
>>
>>
>> BTW, the PB calipers are available new for around $100 each new.
>> That's pretty inexpensive for such an important part. I purchased
>> another set when I thought I might be having a problem, but ended up
>> just changing pads. I'm glad to have a new pair standing by. Then I
>> can rebuild at my leisure.
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