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Re: [Fot] OT- F1 at Spa online petition

To: "David W. Riddle" <dave@microworks.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] OT- F1 at Spa online petition
From: Bill Babcock <Billb@bnj.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:19:15 -0700
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I wouldn't be too happy about having FIA stewards on my side, unless I  
was the recipient of their fines. There just isn't enough differential  
speed between these cars, especially in that corner,  for that  
argument to hold water. My hero Kimi squeezed Hamilton off the corner-- 
very clear in the video. That's OK, nice tactical move. Hamilton  
lifts, Kimi goes by, then Hamilton crosses behind him (no inertia  
remaining there) and passes on the other side.

There isn't a racing organization in existence that would consistently  
call that an illegal pass--especially the FIA. It's one of those  
decisions where the stewards insert their authority into the results.  
Despicable.

Not that I'm passionate about F1 or anything...

On Sep 11, 2008, at 9:07 AM, David W. Riddle wrote:

> I watched the race too.  How does someone have "inertia" to overtake
> a faster vehicle doesn't that defy the laws of physics?
>
> Approaching La Source Kimi had more speed and better position. The
> issue is not one of inertia but rather the argument that if Lewis had
> not shortcut the chicane would he have been that close to Kimi for
> the run to La Source to try and outbrake him.
>
> Try watching the videos then you won't have to rely on your  
> faulty :) memory.
>
> You may agree with the stewards but three time world champs Lauda and
> Stewart don't.  I bet the FIA overturns the stewards.
>
> At 08:51 AM 9/11/2008, you wrote:
>> I didn't ignore it, I didn't even watch it.  I did however watch  
>> the race
>> and recall quite clearly that Hamilton lifted only enough to let  
>> Kimi creep
>> back in front of him without giving up the inertia that got him in  
>> front in
>> the first place.  It was that inertia that allowed him to  
>> immediately regain
>> the lead and that in my opinion was why the move was illegal.   
>> Clearly the
>> Stewards agree with my assessment.
>>
>> Joe
>
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having FIA stewards on my side, unless I was the recipient =
of&nbsp;their&nbsp;fines. There just isn't enough differential speed =
between these cars, especially in that corner, &nbsp;for =
that&nbsp;argument&nbsp;to hold water. My hero Kimi =
squeezed&nbsp;Hamilton&nbsp;off the corner--very clear in the video. =
That's OK, nice tactical move. Hamilton lifts, Kimi goes by, then =
Hamilton crosses behind him (no&nbsp;inertia&nbsp;remaining there) and =
passes on the other side.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>There isn't a racing =
organization in existence that would consistently call that an illegal =
pass--especially the FIA. It's one of those decisions where the stewards =
insert their authority into the results. =
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