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Re: [Healeys] Gearbox oil volume

To: healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Gearbox oil volume
From: Keith Taylor <ktee20@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 12:19:38 +1000
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My original BN1 1954 Service Manual has an  "ERRATUM '  sticker on the
inside cover stating :-

                                       Gearbox/overdrive Oil Capacity

                            The combined capacity of the Gearbox and
overdrive is
                             5 1/2 Imp. pints (dry) and not 4 1/2 Imp pints
as stated
                            After draining,  1/4 pint of oil will remain in
the overdrive
                            hydraulic system, therefore ,only 5 1/2 pints
will be required
                             for refilling.

                                      Pubs. 996B and 997A December 1954

So when filling from rebuild add the extra 1/4 pint  ....   5 3/4 pints

Later editions may have carried the correction  and side and top
shift gearboxes may vary

Keith Taylor
southern Highlands OZ

On 25 May 2015 at 07:54, Patrick & Caroline Quinn <p_cquinn@tpg.com.au>
wrote:

> Greetings
>
>
>
> Well that=E2=80=99s interesting as I will be buying the oil for the BN3=
=E2=80=99s gearbox
> this week. It is a 100S gearbox with a 22% OD that has been completely
> rebuilt and apart from the oil used in the assembly it=E2=80=99s complete=
ly empty.
>
>
>
> My 1968 BMC Workshop Manual (AKD 1179H) that I bought new in September
> 1974 for $7.00 states that the oil capacity for a side-shift gearbox fitt=
ed
> with an OD is 6 =C2=BC imp pints, 7.5 US pints and 3.55 litres. I states =
the
> same for a centre-shift box as well. So I will be buying a 4 litre
> container and store what=E2=80=99s left over for the inevitable leaks.
>
>
>
> Talking about leaks I was watching a Jay Leno video of his Daimler SP250
> over the weekend and he made mention that all things over 50 or 60 years =
of
> age are bound to leak.
>
>
>
> Hoo Roo
>
>
>
> Patrick Quinn
>
> Blue Mountains
>
> Australia
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Bo=
b
> Spidell
> *Sent:* Monday, 25 May 2015 12:14 AM
> *To:* healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Gearbox oil volume
>
>
>
> Offhand, I'd believe the workshop manual first.  If you're doing a
> drain-and-fill, you don't know for sure how much residual oil is left so
> you have to go by the dipstick anyway.
>
> Bob
>
> On 5/24/2015 6:32 AM, Simon Lachlan wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> 1)      My car=E2=80=99s Driver=E2=80=99s Handbook page 7, (AKD 3915A) te=
lls me that:
>
> my MkII BT7=E2=80=99s gearbox takes 5.75 imp pts (6.90 US pts)
>
> its overdrive takes 1.33 imp pts (1.75 US pts)
>
>
>
> 2)      My BMC Workshop Manual (AKD 1179D) tells me that:
>
> gearbox               4.0 imp pts (4.80 US pts)
>
> Total gearbox, overdrive fitted, 5.25 imp pts (6.30 US pts)
>
>
>
> 3)      My Haynes manual goes for:
>
> Standard box:- 5 imp pts
>
> With overdrive:- 6.25 pts
>
>
>
> 4)      My Autopress manual (Kenneth Ball) goes for:
>
> Standard box:- 5 imp pts
>
> With overdrive:- 6.25 pts
>
>
>
> ie only Haynes and Autopress agree.
>
> I=E2=80=99ve had this Healey for +/- 20 years and I=E2=80=99ve never noti=
ced these
> discrepancies! I seem to have survived by using the dip stick, but I=E2=
=80=99d bet
> that I=E2=80=99ve overfilled more than once.
>
>
>
> Any ideas? I don=E2=80=99t recall this coming up before.....
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Simon
>
> (And I didn=E2=80=99t mention Redline once!)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>My original BN1 1954 Service Manual has an=C2=A0 &quo=
t;ERRATUM=C2=A0&#39; =C2=A0sticker on the inside cover stating :-</div><div=
><br></div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Gearbox/overdrive Oil Capacity </div><div><br></div><div>=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0The combined capacity of the Gearbox and overdrive is</div><div>=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A05 1/2 Imp. pints (dry) and not 4 1/2 Imp pints as stated=
=C2=A0 </div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0After draining,=C2=A0=C2=A01/4 pint of oil w=
ill remain in the overdrive</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 hydraulic system, therefore =
,only 5 1/2 pints will be required</div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 for refilli=
ng.=C2=A0 </div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pubs. 996B and 997A December 1954</di=
v><div><br></div><div>So when filling from=C2=A0rebuild add the extra 1/4 p=
int=C2=A0 ....=C2=A0=C2=A0 5 3/4 pints</div><div><br></div><div>Later editi=
ons=C2=A0may have carried the correction=C2=A0 and=C2=A0side and top shift=
=C2=A0gearboxes may vary</div><div><br></div><div>Keith Taylor</div><div>so=
uthern Highlands OZ</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote">On 25 May 2015 at 07:54, Patrick &amp; Caroline Quinn <span d=
ir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:p_cquinn@tpg.com.au"; target=3D"_blank">p_c=
quinn@tpg.com.au</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang=3D"EN-AU" vlink=3D"purple" link=3D"blue" bgcolor=3D"white"><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Tim=
es New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:10pt">Greetings<u></u><u></u=
></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:10pt"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:windowt=
ext;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:10p=
t">Well that=E2=80=99s interesting as I will be buying the oil for the BN3=
=E2=80=99s gearbox this week. It is a 100S gearbox with a 22% OD that has b=
een completely rebuilt and apart from the oil used in the assembly it=E2=80=
=99s completely empty.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 style=3D"color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;se=
rif&quot;;font-size:10pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot=
;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:10pt">My 1968 BMC Workshop Manual (AKD 1179H)=
 that I bought new in September 1974 for $7.00 states that the oil capacity=
 for a side-shift gearbox fitted with an OD is 6 =C2=BC imp pints, 7.5 US p=
ints and 3.55 litres. I states the same for a centre-shift box as well. So =
I will be buying a 4 litre container and store what=E2=80=99s left over for=
 the inevitable leaks.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 style=3D"color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;se=
rif&quot;;font-size:10pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot=
;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:10pt">Talking about leaks I was watching a Ja=
y Leno video of his Daimler SP250 over the weekend and he made mention that=
 all things over 50 or 60 years of age are bound to leak.<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;font-family:&=
quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:10pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<=
u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;fon=
t-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:10pt">Hoo =
Roo<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:win=
dowtext;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size=
:10pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;=
;font-size:10pt">Patrick Quinn<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,=
&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:10pt">Blue Mountains<u></u><u></u></span></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Time=
s New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:10pt">Australia<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;font-fami=
ly:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:10pt"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"border-width:1pt medium medium;bord=
er-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentColor current=
Color;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" s=
tyle=3D"color:windowtext;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&qu=
ot;;font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:win=
dowtext;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;font-size:10p=
t"> Healeys [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; targe=
t=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Sp=
idell<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 25 May 2015 12:14 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D=
"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a=
><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Gearbox oil volume<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p></div></div><div><div class=3D"h5"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<=
u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">Offhand, I&#3=
9;d believe the workshop manual first.=C2=A0 If you&#39;re doing a drain-an=
d-fill, you don&#39;t know for sure how much residual oil is left so you ha=
ve to go by the dipstick anyway.<br><br>Bob<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">On 5/24/2015 6:32 AM, Simon Lachlan wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>=
</div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal">Hi,<u></u><u></u></p><p><u></u><span>1)<span style=3D"font:7pt/nor=
mal &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span><u></u>My car=E2=80=99s Driver=
=E2=80=99s Handbook page 7, (AKD 3915A) tells me that:<u></u><u></u></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">my MkII BT7=E2=80=99s gearbox takes 5.75 imp pts (6.90 =
US pts) <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">its overdrive takes 1.33 i=
mp pts (1.75 US pts)<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><=
u></u></p><p><u></u><span>2)<span style=3D"font:7pt/normal &quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span><u></u>My BMC Workshop Manual (AKD 1179D) tells =
me that:<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">gearbox=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 4.0 imp =
pts (4.80 US pts)<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Total gearbox, ov=
erdrive fitted, 5.25 imp pts (6.30 US pts)<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p><u></u><span>3)<span style=3D"font:7pt/n=
ormal &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal=
">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span><u></u>My Haynes manual goes=
 for:<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Standard box:- 5 imp pts<u></=
u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">With overdrive:- 6.25 pts=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <u></u><=
u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p><u></u><span>4)=
<span style=3D"font:7pt/normal &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;font-size-adjust=
:none;font-stretch:normal">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 </span></span><u>=
</u>My Autopress manual (Kenneth Ball) goes for:<u></u><u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">Standard box:- 5 imp pts<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal">With overdrive:- 6.25 pts<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">ie only Haynes and Autopress ag=
ree.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99ve had this Healey f=
or +/- 20 years and I=E2=80=99ve never noticed these discrepancies! I seem =
to have survived by using the dip stick, but I=E2=80=99d bet that I=E2=80=
=99ve overfilled more than once.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Any ideas? I don=E2=80=99t r=
ecall this coming up before.....<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">Simon<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">(And I di=
dn=E2=80=99t mention Redline once!)<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 <u></u><u></u></p=
></blockquote><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times=
 New Roman&quot;,&quot;serif&quot;;font-size:12pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></sp=
an></p></div></div></div></div><br>________________________________________=
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