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I am about to change my g/b and o/d oil for first time since taking ownersh=
ip; just to be sure that I know what is in there; and I don't want to start=
another gearbox oil discussion. .....However so many people recommend MTL =
or MT90 that are both synthetic.I am a little reluctant to as don't need an=
y new oil leaks with synthetic; maybe already have synthetic ,,,.?Anyhow fo=
r convenience was planning to use same as use in engine - Valvoline VR1 20-=
50Any thoughts regarding synthetic oil and gearbox leaks from more experien=
ced users appreciated.rg
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com>
To: Oudesluys <coudesluijs@chello.nl>
Cc: Austin Healey <healeys@autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, 25 May 2015 05:08:10 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Gearbox oil volume
I agree with Kees--you really cannot overfill the box and even if you do th=
e car will leak oil anyway so at worst you will have a larger puddle of oil=
under the car. Do be sure to use an oil with a GL4 rating or your yellow =
metal parts (synchro rings, etc) will not be very happy. I recommend RedLi=
ne MTL or MT90.
Best--Michael Oritt
On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 6:36 AM, Oudesluys <coudesluijs@chello.nl> wrote:
Never bother about the quantity, just
fill right up until the oil overflows the filler plug hole, both
overdrive and gearbox if they are separate.=20
When brass parts are used (e.g. synchro rings, selector forks, OD
parts) do not use EP "gearbox oil". Use straight oil, special oil
e.g Redline or 20W50 engine oil to save these parts in the box.
Kees Oudesluijs
Simon Lachlan schreef op 25-5-2015 om 11:47:
That=E2=80=99s very interesting. Seems like
they got the whole thing into a muddle on Day One and never
really recovered.Makes trial and error, one of my
usual fallbacks, seem quite sensible in the circs.Simon From: Healeys
[mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Keith
Taylor
Sent: 25 May 2015 03:20
To: healeys
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Gearbox oil volume
My original BN1 1954 Service Manual has
an "ERRATUM ' sticker on the inside cover stating :- =
=20
Gearbox/overdrive Oil Capacity The
combined capacity of the Gearbox and overdrive is =
5 1/2 Imp.
pints (dry) and not 4 1/2 Imp pints as stated =
After
draining, 1/4 pint of oil will remain in the overdrive =
hydraulic
system, therefore ,only 5 1/2 pints will be required =
for
refilling. =
=20
Pubs. 996B and 997A December 1954 So when filling from rebuild add the
extra 1/4 pint .... 5 3/4 pints Later editions may have carried the
correction and side and top shift gearboxes may vary Keith Taylorsouthern=
Highlands OZ On 25 May 2015 at 07:54, Patrick &
Caroline Quinn <p_cquinn@tpg.com.au>
wrote:Greetings Well that=E2=80=99s
interesting as I will be buying the oil for the
BN3=E2=80=99s gearbox this week. It is a 100S gearbox with a
22% OD that has been completely rebuilt and apart
from the oil used in the assembly it=E2=80=99s completely
empty. My 1968 BMC
Workshop Manual (AKD 1179H) that I bought new in
September 1974 for $7.00 states that the oil
capacity for a side-shift gearbox fitted with an OD
is 6 =C2=BC imp pints, 7.5 US pints and 3.55 litres. I
states the same for a centre-shift box as well. So I
will be buying a 4 litre container and store what=E2=80=99s
left over for the inevitable leaks. Talking about
leaks I was watching a Jay Leno video of his Daimler
SP250 over the weekend and he made mention that all
things over 50 or 60 years of age are bound to leak. Hoo Roo Patrick Quinn=
Blue MountainsAustralia From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.ne=
t]
On Behalf Of Bob Spidell
Sent: Monday, 25 May 2015 12:14 AM
To:healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Gearbox oil volume Offhand, I'd
believe the workshop manual first. If you're
doing a drain-and-fill, you don't know for sure
how much residual oil is left so you have to go
by the dipstick anyway.
BobOn
5/24/2015 6:32 AM, Simon Lachlan wrote:Hi,1) =20
My car=E2=80=99s Driver=E2=80=99s
Handbook page 7, (AKD 3915A) tells me that:my MkII
BT7=E2=80=99s gearbox takes 5.75 imp pts (6.90 US pts)
its
overdrive takes 1.33 imp pts (1.75 US pts) 2) =20
My BMC Workshop Manual
(AKD 1179D) tells me that:gearbox =20
4.0 imp pts (4.80 US pts)Total
gearbox, overdrive fitted, 5.25 imp pts (6.30
US pts) 3) =20
My Haynes manual goes
for:Standard
box:- 5 imp ptsWith
overdrive:- 6.25 pts 4) =20
My Autopress manual
(Kenneth Ball) goes for:Standard
box:- 5 imp ptsWith
overdrive:- 6.25 pts ie only
Haynes and Autopress agree.I=E2=80=99ve had
this Healey for +/- 20 years and I=E2=80=99ve never
noticed these discrepancies! I seem to have
survived by using the dip stick, but I=E2=80=99d bet
that I=E2=80=99ve overfilled more than once. Any ideas?
I don=E2=80=99t recall this coming up before..... Thanks,Simon(And I
didn=E2=80=99t mention Redline once!) =20
=20
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<html><head><style> body {height: 100%; color:#000000; font-size:12pt; font=
-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;}</style></head><body><div>=
I am about to change my g/b and o/d oil for first time since taking ownersh=
ip; just to be sure that I know what is in there; </div><div>and I don't wa=
nt to start another gearbox oil discussion. .....</div><div>However so many=
people recommend MTL or MT90 that are both synthetic.</div><div>I am a lit=
tle reluctant to as don't need any new oil leaks with synthetic; maybe alre=
ady have synthetic ,,,.?</div><div>Anyhow for convenience was planning to u=
se same as use in engine - Valvoline VR1 20-50</div><div>Any thoughts regar=
ding synthetic oil and gearbox leaks from more experienced users appreciate=
d.</div><div>rg</div><div><br></div><div>----- Original Message -----<br>Fr=
om: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com><br>To: Oudesluys <coud=
esluijs@chello.nl><br>Cc: Austin Healey <healeys@autox.team.net><b=
r>Sent: Mon, 25 May 2015 05:08:10 -0600 (MDT)<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Gea=
rbox oil volume<br></div><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmai=
l_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff" data-mce-style=3D"color: #3333ff;">I agr=
ee with Kees--you really cannot overfill the box and even if you do the car=
will leak oil anyway so at worst you will have a larger puddle of oil unde=
r the car. Do be sure to use an oil with a GL4 rating or your yellow =
metal parts (synchro rings, etc) will not be very happy. I recommend =
RedLine MTL or MT90.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333=
ff" data-mce-style=3D"color: #3333ff;"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_defaul=
t" style=3D"color:#3333ff" data-mce-style=3D"color: #3333ff;">Best--Michael=
Oritt</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
>On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 6:36 AM, Oudesluys <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=
=3D"mailto:coudesluijs@chello.nl"; target=3D"_blank" data-mce-href=3D"mailto=
:coudesluijs@chello.nl">coudesluijs@chello.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #c=
cc solid;padding-left:1ex" data-mce-style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-lef=
t: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div>Never bother about the qua=
ntity, just<br> fill right up until the oil overflows the filler plug hole,=
both<br> overdrive and gearbox if they are separate. <br><div><br></div>Wh=
en brass parts are used (e.g. synchro rings, selector forks, OD<br> parts) =
do not use EP "gearbox oil". Use straight oil, special oil<br> e.g Redline =
or 20W50 engine oil to save these parts in the box.<br><div><br></div>Kees =
Oudesluijs<br><div><br></div><br><div><br></div>Simon Lachlan schreef op 25=
-5-2015 om 11:47:<br></div><blockquote><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Th=
at=E2=80=99s very interesting. Seems like<br> they got the whole thing into=
a muddle on Day One and never<br> really recovered.</span></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span>Makes trial and error, one of my<br> usual fallbacks, seem=
quite sensible in the circs.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Simon<=
/span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span> </span></p><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"> Heal=
eys<br> [<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank=
" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:healeys-bo=
unces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Keith<br> Taylor<span class=
=3D""><br><b>Sent:</b> 25 May 2015 03:20<br><b>To:</b> healeys<br></span></=
span></p><div><div class=3D"h5"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Gearbox oil v=
olume</div></div><p><br></p></div><div><div class=3D"h5"><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"> </p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">My original BN1 1954 Servic=
e Manual has<br> an "ERRATUM ' sticker on the inside cover=
stating :-</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"> &nb=
sp; =
&n=
bsp; <br> Gearbox/overdrive Oil Capacity</p></div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"> </p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> &nbs=
p; &=
nbsp; The<br> c=
ombined capacity of the Gearbox and overdrive is</p></div><div><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"> &nbs=
p; &=
nbsp; 5 1/2 Imp.<br> pints (dry) and not 4 1/2 Imp =
pints as stated </p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> &nbs=
p; &=
nbsp; Aft=
er<br> draining, 1/4 pint of oil will remain in the overdrive</p=
></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> &nbs=
p; &=
nbsp; hydraulic<br> system, therefore =
,only 5 1/2 pints will be required</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nb=
sp; =
&nb=
sp; for<br> refilling. </p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"> =
&nb=
sp; </p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> &nbs=
p; &=
nbsp; &nbs=
p; <br> Pubs. 996B and 997A Decem=
ber 1954</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">So when filling from rebuild add the<br> extra 1/4 pint=
.... 5 3/4 pints</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">&n=
bsp;</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Later editions may have carr=
ied the<br> correction and side and top shift gearboxes may=
vary</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">Keith Taylor</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">southern High=
lands OZ</p></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">On 25 May 2015 at 07:54, Patrick &<br> Caroline Quinn &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:p_cquinn@tpg.com.au"; target=3D"_blank" data-mce-href=3D=
"mailto:p_cquinn@tpg.com.au";>p_cquinn@tpg.com.au</a>><br> wrote:</p><div=
><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU">Greetings</span><span lan=
g=3D"EN-AU"></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU"> </=
span><span lang=3D"EN-AU"></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"E=
N-AU">Well that=E2=80=99s<br> interesting as I will be buying the oil for t=
he<br> BN3=E2=80=99s gearbox this week. It is a 100S gearbox with a<br> 22%=
OD that has been completely rebuilt and apart<br> from the oil used in the=
assembly it=E2=80=99s completely<br> empty.</span><span lang=3D"EN-AU"></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU"> </span><span lang=
=3D"EN-AU"></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU">My 1968 B=
MC<br> Workshop Manual (AKD 1179H) that I bought new in<br> September 1974 =
for $7.00 states that the oil<br> capacity for a side-shift gearbox fitted =
with an OD<br> is 6 =C2=BC imp pints, 7.5 US pints and 3.55 litres. I<br> s=
tates the same for a centre-shift box as well. So I<br> will be buying a 4 =
litre container and store what=E2=80=99s<br> left over for the inevitable l=
eaks.</span><span lang=3D"EN-AU"></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-AU"> </span><span lang=3D"EN-AU"></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU">Talking about<br> leaks I was watching a Jay Len=
o video of his Daimler<br> SP250 over the weekend and he made mention that =
all<br> things over 50 or 60 years of age are bound to leak.</span><span la=
ng=3D"EN-AU"></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU"> <=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-AU"></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"=
EN-AU">Hoo Roo</span><span lang=3D"EN-AU"></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span lang=3D"EN-AU"> </span><span lang=3D"EN-AU"></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU">Patrick Quinn</span><span lang=3D"EN-AU=
"></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU">Blue Mountains</sp=
an><span lang=3D"EN-AU"></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-=
AU">Australia</span><span lang=3D"EN-AU"></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span lang=3D"EN-AU"> </span><span lang=3D"EN-AU"></span></p><div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> Healeys [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.ne=
t" target=3D"_blank" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net=
">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]<br> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Spidell<b=
r><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 25 May 2015 12:14 AM<br><b>To:</b><a href=3D"mailto:=
healeys@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" data-mce-href=3D"mailto:healeys@a=
utox.team.net">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] =
Gearbox oil volume</span><span lang=3D"EN-AU"></span></p></div></div><div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU"> </span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU">Offhand, I'd<br> believe the workshop m=
anual first. If you're<br> doing a drain-and-fill, you don't know for=
sure<br> how much residual oil is left so you have to go<br> by the dipsti=
ck anyway.<br></span></p><div><br></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-AU"><br> Bob</span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-=
AU">On<br> 5/24/2015 6:32 AM, Simon Lachlan wrote:</span></p></div><blockqu=
ote><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU">Hi,</span></p><p><span lang=
=3D"EN-AU">1)</span><span lang=3D"EN-AU"> <br>=
</span><span lang=3D"EN-AU">My car=E2=80=99s Driver=E2=80=99s<br> Handbook=
page 7, (AKD 3915A) tells me that:</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span =
lang=3D"EN-AU">my MkII<br> BT7=E2=80=99s gearbox takes 5.75 imp pts (6.90 U=
S pts)<br> </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU">its<br> o=
verdrive takes 1.33 imp pts (1.75 US pts)</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span lang=3D"EN-AU"> </span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-AU">2)</span><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-AU"> <br> </span><span lang=3D"EN=
-AU">My BMC Workshop Manual<br> (AKD 1179D) tells me that:</span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU">gearbox =
<br> 4.0 imp pts (4.8=
0 US pts)</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU">Total<br> g=
earbox, overdrive fitted, 5.25 imp pts (6.30<br> US pts)</span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU"> </span></p><p><span lang=3D"EN-AU=
">3)</span><span lang=3D"EN-AU"> <br> </span><=
span lang=3D"EN-AU">My Haynes manual goes<br> for:</span></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU">Standard<br> box:- 5 imp pts</span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU">With<br> overdrive:- 6.25 pts &n=
bsp; </sp=
an></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU"> </span></p><p><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-AU">4)</span><span lang=3D"EN-AU"> &nbs=
p;<br> </span><span lang=3D"EN-AU">My Autopress manual<br> (Kenneth Ball) g=
oes for:</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU">Standard<br>=
box:- 5 imp pts</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU">With=
<br> overdrive:- 6.25 pts</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN=
-AU"> </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU">ie only<b=
r> Haynes and Autopress agree.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-AU">I=E2=80=99ve had<br> this Healey for +/- 20 years and I=E2=80=99=
ve never<br> noticed these discrepancies! I seem to have<br> survived by us=
ing the dip stick, but I=E2=80=99d bet<br> that I=E2=80=99ve overfilled mor=
e than once.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU"> </=
span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU">Any ideas?<br> I don=
=E2=80=99t recall this coming up before.....</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span lang=3D"EN-AU"> </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-AU">Thanks,</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU">Si=
mon</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU">(And I<br> didn=
=E2=80=99t mention Redline once!)</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-AU"> </span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-AU">&=
nbsp; &nbs=
p; <br> </span></p></blockquote><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"E=
N-AU"> </span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><=
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