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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Gearbox oil volume
From: Oudesluys <coudesluijs@chello.nl>
Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 12:36:32 +0200
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Never bother about the quantity, just fill right up until the oil 
overflows the filler plug hole, both overdrive and gearbox if they are 
separate.
When brass parts are used (e.g. synchro rings, selector forks, OD parts) 
do not use EP "gearbox oil". Use straight oil, special oil e.g Redline 
or 20W50 engine oil to save these parts in the box.
Kees Oudesluijs


Simon Lachlan schreef op 25-5-2015 om 11:47:
>
> Thatâ??s very interesting. Seems like they got the whole thing into a 
> muddle on Day One and never really recovered.
>
> Makes trial and error, one of my usual fallbacks, seem quite sensible 
> in the circs.
>
> Simon
>
> *From:*Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of 
> *Keith Taylor
> *Sent:* 25 May 2015 03:20
> *To:* healeys
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Gearbox oil volume
>
> My original BN1 1954 Service Manual has an  "ERRATUM '  sticker on the 
> inside cover stating :-
>
> Gearbox/overdrive Oil Capacity
>
>                             The combined capacity of the Gearbox and 
> overdrive is
>
>                              5 1/2 Imp. pints (dry) and not 4 1/2 Imp 
> pints as stated
>
>                             After draining,  1/4 pint of oil will 
> remain in the overdrive
>
>                             hydraulic system, therefore ,only 5 1/2 
> pints will be required
>
>                              for refilling.
>
> Pubs. 996B and 997A December 1954
>
> So when filling from rebuild add the extra 1/4 pint  ....   5 3/4 pints
>
> Later editions may have carried the correction  and side and top 
> shift gearboxes may vary
>
> Keith Taylor
>
> southern Highlands OZ
>
> On 25 May 2015 at 07:54, Patrick & Caroline Quinn <p_cquinn@tpg.com.au 
>
> Greetings
>
> Well thatâ??s interesting as I will be buying the oil for the BN3â??s 
> gearbox this week. It is a 100S gearbox with a 22% OD that has been 
> completely rebuilt and apart from the oil used in the assembly itâ??s 
> completely empty.
>
> My 1968 BMC Workshop Manual (AKD 1179H) that I bought new in September 
> 1974 for $7.00 states that the oil capacity for a side-shift gearbox 
> fitted with an OD is 6 ¼ imp pints, 7.5 US pints and 3.55 litres. I 
> states the same for a centre-shift box as well. So I will be buying a 
> 4 litre container and store whatâ??s left over for the inevitable leaks.
>
> Talking about leaks I was watching a Jay Leno video of his Daimler 
> SP250 over the weekend and he made mention that all things over 50 or 
> 60 years of age are bound to leak.
>
> Hoo Roo
>
> Patrick Quinn
>
> Blue Mountains
>
> Australia
>
> *From:*Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net 
> *Sent:* Monday, 25 May 2015 12:14 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Gearbox oil volume
>
> Offhand, I'd believe the workshop manual first.  If you're doing a 
> drain-and-fill, you don't know for sure how much residual oil is left 
> so you have to go by the dipstick anyway.
>
> Bob
>
> On 5/24/2015 6:32 AM, Simon Lachlan wrote:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     1)My carâ??s Driverâ??s Handbook page 7, (AKD 3915A) tells me that:
>
>     my MkII BT7â??s gearbox takes 5.75 imp pts (6.90 US pts)
>
>     its overdrive takes 1.33 imp pts (1.75 US pts)
>
>     2)My BMC Workshop Manual (AKD 1179D) tells me that:
>
>     gearbox 4.0 imp pts (4.80 US pts)
>
>     Total gearbox, overdrive fitted, 5.25 imp pts (6.30 US pts)
>
>     3)My Haynes manual goes for:
>
>     Standard box:- 5 imp pts
>
>     With overdrive:- 6.25 pts
>
>     4)My Autopress manual (Kenneth Ball) goes for:
>
>     Standard box:- 5 imp pts
>
>     With overdrive:- 6.25 pts
>
>     ie only Haynes and Autopress agree.
>
>     Iâ??ve had this Healey for +/- 20 years and Iâ??ve never noticed these
>     discrepancies! I seem to have survived by using the dip stick, but
>     Iâ??d bet that Iâ??ve overfilled more than once.
>
>     Any ideas? I donâ??t recall this coming up before.....
>
>     Thanks,
>
>     Simon
>
>     (And I didnâ??t mention Redline once!)
>
>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Never bother about the quantity, just
      fill right up until the oil overflows the filler plug hole, both
      overdrive and gearbox if they are separate. <br>
      When brass parts are used (e.g. synchro rings, selector forks, OD
      parts) do not use EP "gearbox oil". Use straight oil, special oil
      e.g Redline or 20W50 engine oil to save these parts in the box.<br>
      Kees Oudesluijs<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      Simon Lachlan schreef op 25-5-2015 om 11:47:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thatâ??s very interesting. Seems like
            they got the whole thing into a muddle on Day One and never
            really recovered.</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Makes trial and error, one of my
            usual fallbacks, seem quite sensible in the circs.</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Simon</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
              lang="EN-US"> Healeys
              [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" 
href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]
 <b>On Behalf Of </b>Keith
              Taylor<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> 25 May 2015 03:20<br>
              <b>To:</b> healeys<br>
              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Gearbox oil volume</span></p>
        </div>
        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
        <div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">My original BN1 1954 Service Manual has
              an  "ERRATUM '  sticker on the inside cover stating :-</p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p 
class="MsoNormal">                           
           
              Gearbox/overdrive Oil Capacity </p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p 
class="MsoNormal">                            The
              combined capacity of the Gearbox and overdrive is</p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p 
class="MsoNormal">                             5 
1/2 Imp.
              pints (dry) and not 4 1/2 Imp pints as stated  </p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p 
class="MsoNormal">                            After
              draining,  1/4 pint of oil will remain in the overdrive</p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p 
class="MsoNormal">                            
hydraulic
              system, therefore ,only 5 1/2 pints will be required</p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p 
class="MsoNormal">                             for
              refilling.  </p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p 
class="MsoNormal">                            </p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p 
class="MsoNormal">                                   
  
              Pubs. 996B and 997A December 1954</p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">So when filling from rebuild add the
              extra 1/4 pint  ....   5 3/4 pints</p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Later editions may have carried the
              correction  and side and top shift gearboxes may vary</p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Keith Taylor</p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">southern Highlands OZ</p>
          </div>
        </div>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">On 25 May 2015 at 07:54, Patrick &amp;
              Caroline Quinn &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:p_cquinn@tpg.com.au"; 
target="_blank">p_cquinn@tpg.com.au</a>&gt;
              wrote:</p>
            <div>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Greetings</span><span
                    lang="EN-AU"></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> </span><span
                    lang="EN-AU"></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Well thatâ??s
                    interesting as I will be buying the oil for the
                    BN3â??s gearbox this week. It is a 100S gearbox with a
                    22% OD that has been completely rebuilt and apart
                    from the oil used in the assembly itâ??s completely
                    empty.</span><span lang="EN-AU"></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> </span><span
                    lang="EN-AU"></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">My 1968 BMC
                    Workshop Manual (AKD 1179H) that I bought new in
                    September 1974 for $7.00 states that the oil
                    capacity for a side-shift gearbox fitted with an OD
                    is 6 ¼ imp pints, 7.5 US pints and 3.55 litres. I
                    states the same for a centre-shift box as well. So I
                    will be buying a 4 litre container and store whatâ??s
                    left over for the inevitable leaks.</span><span
                    lang="EN-AU"></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> </span><span
                    lang="EN-AU"></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Talking about
                    leaks I was watching a Jay Leno video of his Daimler
                    SP250 over the weekend and he made mention that all
                    things over 50 or 60 years of age are bound to 
leak.</span><span
                    lang="EN-AU"></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> </span><span
                    lang="EN-AU"></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Hoo Roo</span><span
                    lang="EN-AU"></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> </span><span
                    lang="EN-AU"></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Patrick 
Quinn</span><span
                    lang="EN-AU"></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Blue 
Mountains</span><span
                    lang="EN-AU"></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Australia</span><span
                    lang="EN-AU"></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> </span><span
                    lang="EN-AU"></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span 
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                        lang="EN-US"> Healeys [mailto:<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";
                          target="_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]
                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Spidell<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Monday, 25 May 2015 12:14 AM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
                          target="_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Gearbox oil 
volume</span><span
                        lang="EN-AU"></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Offhand, I'd
                        believe the workshop manual first.  If you're
                        doing a drain-and-fill, you don't know for sure
                        how much residual oil is left so you have to go
                        by the dipstick anyway.<br>
                        <br>
                        Bob</span></p>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">On
                          5/24/2015 6:32 AM, Simon Lachlan wrote:</span></p>
                    </div>
                    <blockquote>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Hi,</span></p>
                      <p><span lang="EN-AU">1)</span><span 
lang="EN-AU">     
                        </span><span lang="EN-AU">My carâ??s Driverâ??s
                          Handbook page 7, (AKD 3915A) tells me that:</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">my MkII
                          BT7â??s gearbox takes 5.75 imp pts (6.90 US pts)
                        </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">its
                          overdrive takes 1.33 imp pts (1.75 US pts)</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> </span></p>
                      <p><span lang="EN-AU">2)</span><span 
lang="EN-AU">     
                        </span><span lang="EN-AU">My BMC Workshop Manual
                          (AKD 1179D) tells me that:</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span 
lang="EN-AU">gearbox              
                          4.0 imp pts (4.80 US pts)</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Total
                          gearbox, overdrive fitted, 5.25 imp pts (6.30
                          US pts)</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> </span></p>
                      <p><span lang="EN-AU">3)</span><span 
lang="EN-AU">     
                        </span><span lang="EN-AU">My Haynes manual goes
                          for:</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Standard
                          box:- 5 imp pts</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">With
                          overdrive:- 6.25 pts              
</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> </span></p>
                      <p><span lang="EN-AU">4)</span><span 
lang="EN-AU">     
                        </span><span lang="EN-AU">My Autopress manual
                          (Kenneth Ball) goes for:</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Standard
                          box:- 5 imp pts</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">With
                          overdrive:- 6.25 pts</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">ie only
                          Haynes and Autopress agree.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Iâ??ve had
                          this Healey for +/- 20 years and Iâ??ve never
                          noticed these discrepancies! I seem to have
                          survived by using the dip stick, but Iâ??d bet
                          that Iâ??ve overfilled more than once.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Any ideas?
                          I donâ??t recall this coming up before.....</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Thanks,</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">Simon</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">(And I
                          didnâ??t mention Redline once!)</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU"> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span 
lang="EN-AU">              
                        </span></p>
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