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The old style chargers MUST be monitored, especially with newer batteries.=
=C2=A0 If you leave it hooked up too long you will boil off the electrolyte=
.=C2=A0 How long?=C2=A0 Depends on the state of charge.=C2=A0 What is the s=
tate of charge?=C2=A0 Is it 50%, 25%, 75%?=C2=A0 You can figure that out if=
you take an open circuit voltage reading, adjust for temperature and look =
it up on a chart.=C2=A0 Then guess how long to set the timer.
Or take a voltage reading periodically and don't forget to turn it off.=C2=
=A0=20
Yes, the alternator doesn't do the three-phase charge regimen but it does r=
egulate the voltage to 14 volts.=C2=A0 The old school chargers are just a t=
ransformer and a rectifier and when the battery achieves full charge the vo=
ltage will continue to rise and boil off the electrolyte.=C2=A0 The smart c=
hargers will self-regulate to prevent that.=C2=A0 But if you want to babysi=
t you charger by all means knock yourself out.
I am in the business of battery powered transport devices for medical equip=
ment and patient transport and we use a lot of chargers to recharge the AGM=
batteries we use to power the devices and they work quite well and are wel=
l suited to the end users who will just plug them in and walk away for the =
weekend.=C2=A0 An old-school charger just simply will not work for us.
Hooking up a faulty battery to a smart charger and getting unsatisfactory r=
esults doesn't mean the charger is at fault.
=20
Dave=20
=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson@charter.net>
To: 'bill beecher' <notakitcar@yahoo.com>; 'Chris Simo' <ccsimonsen@gmail.c=
om>
Cc: 'list Triumph' <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2020 9:06 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Battery troubles
I agree with Bill - get a conventional style next time, if you can find one=
. Even my local NAPA man said to buy an old charger and have it repaired ra=
ther than buy a "new, improved, new technology, it's faster, more efficient=
, easier, etc., etc." type of charger. I laugh when I see newer, fancier ch=
argers with all of these different settings that recognize all of the diffe=
rent battery types - does the vehicle's alternator have all of those settin=
gs????
Use an old style charger and just monitor with a volt meter.=20
Alex Thomson
-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of bill b=
eecher
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 9:38 AM
To: Chris Simo
Cc: list Triumph
Subject: Re: [TR] Battery troubles
Call the manufacturer and ask them if it is telling you if a known good bat=
tery Is=C2=A0 bad.=20
If it=E2=80=99s like my new Shumacher(sp?) charger it require some juice to=
work.=C2=A0 If the battery is 100% flat, it won=E2=80=99t see it.=C2=A0 Al=
so, you cannot use as a power supply while bench testing anything.=C2=A0 It=
does have the Reddit=E2=80=99s that tell you what the voltage it or the pe=
rcentage of charge.=C2=A0=20
I=E2=80=99ll buy a conventional style next time.=C2=A0=20
My two cents,
Bill B
#dontkillgrandma
On Oct 15, 2020, at 8:30 AM, Chris Simo <ccsimonsen@gmail.com> wrote:
=EF=BB=BF
My Tr4 hasn't gotten out at all this summer.=C2=A0 I put my new battery cha=
rger on it -=C2=A0 It's all electronic=C2=A0 vs my old one that just had a =
3 position switch and an analog meter.
This new charger is quite fancy, it will tell you if the battery is connect=
ed backwards,=C2=A0 light a light with a bad battery, etc.=C2=A0 Trouble is=
I"m not sure I trust it.
I've had this thing tell me 4 batteries are bad.=C2=A0 I havent been drivin=
g my truck, my wife hasn't been driving her Z4,=C2=A0 and my mom's car batt=
ery showed bad as well....
I think I'm going to buy an old school charger and see what happens.=C2=A0 =
It's cheaper than buying one of the four batteries....
Or they just sat so long they died.....=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Anyone have experience=
with those newer fancy chargers?=C2=A0 Any issues or concerns?
Thanks!
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<div> <font size=3D"3">The old style chargers MUST be monitored, especially=
with newer batteries. If you leave it hooked up too long you will bo=
il off the electrolyte. How long? Depends on the state of charg=
e. What is the state of charge? Is it 50%, 25%, 75%? You =
can figure that out if you take an open circuit voltage reading, adjust for=
temperature and look it up on a chart. Then guess how long to set th=
e timer.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"3">Or take a voltage reading periodically and don't forg=
et to turn it off. <br>
</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"3">Yes, the alternator doesn't do the three-phase charge=
regimen but it does regulate the voltage to 14 volts. The old school=
chargers are just a transformer and a rectifier and when the battery achie=
ves full charge the voltage will continue to rise and boil off the electrol=
yte. The smart chargers will self-regulate to prevent that. But=
if you want to babysit you charger by all means knock yourself out.<br>
</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"3">I am in the business of battery powered transport dev=
ices for medical equipment and patient transport and we use a lot of charge=
rs to recharge the AGM batteries we use to power the devices and they work =
quite well and are well suited to the end users who will just plug them in =
and walk away for the weekend. An old-school charger just simply will=
not work for us.<br>
</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"3"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"3">Hooking up a faulty battery to a smart charger and ge=
tting unsatisfactory results doesn't mean the charger is at fault.</font><b=
r>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div style=3D"clear:both"><font size=3D"4">Dave </font><br>
<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
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Original Message-----<br>
From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson@charter.net><br>
To: 'bill beecher' <notakitcar@yahoo.com>; 'Chris Simo' <ccsimonse=
n@gmail.com><br>
Cc: 'list Triumph' <triumphs@autox.team.net><br>
Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2020 9:06 am<br>
Subject: Re: [TR] Battery troubles<br>
<br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I agree with Bill - get a conventional style next time, if=
you can find one. Even my local NAPA man said to buy an old charger and ha=
ve it repaired rather than buy a "new, improved, new technology, it's faste=
r, more efficient, easier, etc., etc." type of charger. I laugh when I see =
newer, fancier chargers with all of these different settings that recognize=
all of the different battery types - does the vehicle's alternator have al=
l of those settings????<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Use an old style charger and just monitor with a volt mete=
r. <br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Alex Thomson<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">-----Original Message-----<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">From: Triumphs [mailto:<a ymailto=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounc=
es@autox.team.net" href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net";>triumphs=
-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] On Behalf Of bill beecher<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 9:38 AM<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">To: Chris Simo<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Cc: list Triumph<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Subject: Re: [TR] Battery troubles<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Call the manufacturer and ask them if it is telling you if=
a known good battery Is bad. <br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">If it=E2=80=99s like my new Shumacher(sp?) charger it requ=
ire some juice to work. If the battery is 100% flat, it won=E2=80=99t=
see it. Also, you cannot use as a power supply while bench testing a=
nything. It does have the Reddit=E2=80=99s that tell you what the vo=
ltage it or the percentage of charge. <br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I=E2=80=99ll buy a conventional style next time. <br=
>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">My two cents,<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Bill B<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">#dontkillgrandma<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">On Oct 15, 2020, at 8:30 AM, Chris Simo <<a ymailto=3D"=
mailto:ccsimonsen@gmail.com"; href=3D"mailto:ccsimonsen@gmail.com";>ccsimonse=
n@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">My Tr4 hasn't gotten out at all this summer. I put =
my new battery charger on it - It's all electronic vs my old on=
e that just had a 3 position switch and an analog meter.<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">This new charger is quite fancy, it will tell you if the b=
attery is connected backwards, light a light with a bad battery, etc.=
Trouble is I"m not sure I trust it.<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I've had this thing tell me 4 batteries are bad. I h=
avent been driving my truck, my wife hasn't been driving her Z4, and =
my mom's car battery showed bad as well....<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">I think I'm going to buy an old school charger and see wha=
t happens. It's cheaper than buying one of the four batteries....<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Or they just sat so long they died..... Anyo=
ne have experience with those newer fancy chargers? Any issues or con=
cerns?<br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Thanks!<br>
</div>
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