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To: Kas Kastner <kaskastner@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Seat belts
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 15:53:07 +0000 (UTC)
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I did SCCA Time Trials in my C5 corvette for a few years. Since=C2=A0it's a=
 coupe a roll bar wasn't required.=20
People racing coupes without a rollbar were discouraged from using shoulder=
 harnesses because if the=20
car rolls and caves in the top your head then becomes the roll bar. They ex=
plain that with a 3 point belt the driver=20
could roll out of the shoulder belt to the inboard side. If fully restraine=
d you have nowhere to go.=20
jim g=20

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From: "Kas Kastner" <kaskastner@gmail.com>=20
To: "joe" <n197tr4@cs.com>=20
Cc: "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>=20
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2015 5:56:26 PM=20
Subject: Re: [Fot] Seat belts=20

It is unlikely that you will grab anything.=C2=A0 A driver I have found wil=
l fight it to the last instant hoping to save the crash, then it is TOO LAT=
E. Ducking is better form.=20



Never be beaten by equipment.=20

On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Joe Alexander < n197tr4@cs.com > wrote:=
=20


If you were Masten Gregory, you would just jump.=20

Joe Alexander=20
645 1st Street=20
Jesup, IA 50648=20
The-vintage-racer.com=20
Gasketinnovations.com=20
Cell:=C2=A0 319.464.4711=20

> On Aug 15, 2015, at 8:00 PM, John Hasty < jhasty@mhc-law.com > wrote:=20
>=20
> With no roll bar you should consider the period technique... One lap belt=
 for you and another on the passenger seat tightly drawn so when you flip y=
ou can lay down across the seats and grab the passenger lap belt and hold o=
n!!!!!=20
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone=20
>=20
> On Aug 15, 2015, at 5:35 PM, "McKearn McKearn" < mckearn2@gmail.com <mail=
to: mckearn2@gmail.com >> wrote:=20
>=20
> Hi.=20
> Thanks for the replies.=C2=A0 I'm thinking a four or five point restraint=
 is what I want but getting the attachment points for the shoulder belts mi=
ght be tough. I am considering welding in an attachment bracket between the=
 rear fenderwells and keeping it hidden below what I would call the rear se=
at top or cubby hole top or whatever that area behind the seat is that curr=
ently is carpeted and hides all the junk I put behind the seat. I thought 1=
.5 or 2.0 inch steel tubing with .125 wall thickness would be more than ple=
nty and then screwing 7/16 eye bolts to it through the carpet as attachment=
 points. That way only the eye bolts and the belts will be visible from abo=
ve. Any thoughts?=20
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0P.J.=
=20
>=20
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 11:16 PM, Todd Redmond < alfetta95@optonline.net =
> Install grade 5 eye hook bolts. Two for the lap belt and two behind the d=
rivers seat maybe on the rear bulkhead for the shoulder belts. Location is =
important. Can't be too sharp an angle. I've done this in several street/tr=
ack cars. They work great. The rear hooks on my cars were hidden under the =
rear seat.=C2=A0 Then buy yourself a new 4 pt harness with snap in attachme=
nts. U are good to go.=C2=A0 If u want to add the 5th hook for the anti sub=
marine strap under ur seat, go ahead then get a 5 pt harness.=20
>=20
> Thanks=20
> Todd Redmond=20
>=20
>> On Aug 14, 2015, at 11:23 PM, McKearn McKearn < mckearn2@gmail.com <mail=
to: mckearn2@gmail.com >> wrote:=20
>>=20
>> Hi All.=20
>>=C2=A0 I'm looking to upgrade my stock seat belts(68 GT6,=C2=A0 the tech =
inspector let it slide but told me for the next track day I need to improve=
) but with it being mostly a street car with no roll bar I'm limited. Any s=
uggestions?=20
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #0000=
00"><DIV aria-label=3D"Compose body">I did SCCA Time Trials in my C5 corvet=
te for a few years. Since&nbsp;it's a coupe a roll bar wasn't required. <BR=
>People racing coupes without a rollbar were discouraged from using shoulde=
r harnesses because if the </DIV>
<DIV aria-label=3D"Compose body">car rolls and caves in the top your head t=
hen becomes the roll bar. They explain that with a 3 point belt the driver<=
/DIV>
<DIV aria-label=3D"Compose body">could roll out of the shoulder belt to the=
 inboard side. If fully restrained you have nowhere to go.</DIV>
<DIV aria-label=3D"Compose body">jim g</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: Helvetic=
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ata-mce-style=3D"color: #000; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text=
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;"><B>From: </B>"Kas Kastner" &lt;kaskastner@gmail.com&gt;<BR><B>To: </B>"j=
oe" &lt;n197tr4@cs.com&gt;<BR><B>Cc: </B>"fot" &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt;<B=
R><B>Sent: </B>Sunday, August 16, 2015 5:56:26 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: [F=
ot] Seat belts<BR>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>It is unlikely that you will grab anything.&nbsp; A driver I=
 have found will fight it to the last instant hoping to save the crash, the=
n it is TOO LATE. Ducking is better form.</DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_extra><BR clear=3Dall>
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<DIV class=3Dgmail_signature>
<P><STRONG><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: #000099" data-mce-style=3D"color: #000099;=
" color=3D"#000099">Never be beaten by equipment.</SPAN></STRONG></P></DIV>=
</DIV><BR>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Joe Alexander <S=
PAN dir=3Dltr>&lt;<A href=3D"mailto:n197tr4@cs.com"; target=3D_blank data-mc=
e-href=3D"mailto:n197tr4@cs.com";>n197tr4@cs.com</A>&gt;</SPAN> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px=
 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid" data-mce-style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 .8=
ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">If you were Masten Gre=
gory, you would just jump.<BR><BR>Joe Alexander<BR>645 1st Street<BR>Jesup,=
 IA 50648<BR>The-vintage-racer.com<BR>Gasketinnovations.com<BR>Cell:&nbsp; =
319.464.4711<BR><BR>&gt; On Aug 15, 2015, at 8:00 PM, John Hasty &lt;<A hre=
f=3D"mailto:jhasty@mhc-law.com"; target=3D_blank data-mce-href=3D"mailto:jha=
sty@mhc-law.com">jhasty@mhc-law.com</A>&gt; wrote:<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; With no =
roll bar you should consider the period technique... One lap belt for you a=
nd another on the passenger seat tightly drawn so when you flip you can lay=
 down across the seats and grab the passenger lap belt and hold on!!!!!<BR>=
&gt;<BR>&gt; Sent from my iPhone<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; On Aug 15, 2015, at 5:35 P=
M, "McKearn McKearn" &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:mckearn2@gmail.com"; target=3D_bl=
ank data-mce-href=3D"mailto:mckearn2@gmail.com";>mckearn2@gmail.com</A>&lt;m=
ailto:<A href=3D"mailto:mckearn2@gmail.com"; target=3D_blank data-mce-href=
=3D"mailto:mckearn2@gmail.com";>mckearn2@gmail.com</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:<BR>&gt=
;<BR>&gt; Hi.<BR>&gt; Thanks for the replies.&nbsp; I'm thinking a four or =
five point restraint is what I want but getting the attachment points for t=
he shoulder belts might be tough. I am considering welding in an attachment=
 bracket between the rear fenderwells and keeping it hidden below what I wo=
uld call the rear seat top or cubby hole top or whatever that area behind t=
he seat is that currently is carpeted and hides all the junk I put behind t=
he seat. I thought 1.5 or 2.0 inch steel tubing with .125 wall thickness wo=
uld be more than plenty and then screwing 7/16 eye bolts to it through the =
carpet as attachment points. That way only the eye bolts and the belts will=
 be visible from above. Any thoughts?<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &n=
bsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;P.J.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; On Fri, Aug 14,=
 2015 at 11:16 PM, Todd Redmond &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:alfetta95@optonline.n=
et" target=3D_blank data-mce-href=3D"mailto:alfetta95@optonline.net";>alfett=
a95@optonline.net</A>&lt;mailto:<A href=3D"mailto:alfetta95@optonline.net"; =
target=3D_blank data-mce-href=3D"mailto:alfetta95@optonline.net";>alfetta95@=
optonline.net</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:<BR>&gt; Install grade 5 eye hook bolts. Tw=
o for the lap belt and two behind the drivers seat maybe on the rear bulkhe=
ad for the shoulder belts. Location is important. Can't be too sharp an ang=
le. I've done this in several street/track cars. They work great. The rear =
hooks on my cars were hidden under the rear seat.&nbsp; Then buy yourself a=
 new 4 pt harness with snap in attachments. U are good to go.&nbsp; If u wa=
nt to add the 5th hook for the anti submarine strap under ur seat, go ahead=
 then get a 5 pt harness.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Thanks<BR>&gt; Todd Redmond<BR>&g=
t;<BR>&gt;&gt; On Aug 14, 2015, at 11:23 PM, McKearn McKearn &lt;<A href=3D=
"mailto:mckearn2@gmail.com"; target=3D_blank data-mce-href=3D"mailto:mckearn=
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n2@gmail.com</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; Hi All.<BR>&gt;&gt;=
&nbsp; I'm looking to upgrade my stock seat belts(68 GT6,&nbsp; the tech in=
spector let it slide but told me for the next track day I need to improve) =
but with it being mostly a street car with no roll bar I'm limited. Any sug=
gestions?<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp=
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