List, I agree. The driver should be able to shut the main electric off
from inside the car. Two switches in series should be no problem.
Doug Odom
SaltyCuda@aol.com wrote:
>
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>
> There's an argument for two switches!!!!
>
> Hear me out. A location at the rear in a protected, visible spot is good for
> the safety crew. Location 1.
>
> The other argument however, is in the driver's compartment where it can be
> reached by the driver, either directly or with a push pull rod/cable.
> Remember, racing at the salt puts a lot of distance between yourself and the
> safety crew, and quick as they can be, it can be like an eternity before they
> get to you. If your pinned in, and the electric pumps are pumping away, and
> the pump switch is jammed, or shorted. . . need I say more? Location 2.
>
> Let's keep thinking.
>
> Jim
>
> << Glen,
>
> You are correct about varied vehicles, that is why after a long discussion
> during the rules meeting it was decided to leave the rule a bit open.. (I
> know many of you would argue about this not being the best, but after an
> hour...) I have been on the scene of many incidents at Bonneville, El
> Mirage and Muroc. The most scary thing for me as a safety member is to roll
> to the scene and have electric fuel pumps still running with the lines
> ripped off of them, it was fear for both myself and the guy still in the car
> that made me champion this rule.
>
> While the idea of solenoids sounds like an ideal fix, I must agree with the
> comments from the list about failures. After spending 10 years working with
> Aircraft and ground support electrical systems I would not suggest solenoids
> as the answer.
>
> The best idea is the Morse cable used in the pull fashion. Mount the switch
> close to the battery if you can. Keep those good ideas coming!
>
> Mike Manghelli
> SCTA Prez
> Lancaster, CA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Glen Barrett <speedtimer@earthlink.net>
> To: Steve Pitt <steve@seattleconstructioninc.com>
> Cc: land-speed@autox.team.net <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> Date: Monday, February 07, 2000 6:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Cut off switch
>
>
> >The problem with our type of racing is there are not two cars alike. Each
> is as
> >design of its own except for most stock bodied vehicles, all others are
> special
> >construction and require a different approach.
> >Glen
> >
> >Steve Pitt wrote:
> >
> >> A local group involved in vintage sports car racing require emergency
> >> switches on all cars. They don't specifically identify a location but
> say
> >> it should be "easily accessible" and clearly marked. The majority of
> these
> >> cars have the switch mounted at the real because that is usually where
> the
> >> battery is located. I would think that a single location for all cars
> makes
> >> the most sense and that the I.D. marking should be consistent, say a 6"
> (?)
> >> diameter painted red circle around the switch. This would at least
> >> guarantee some consistency in emergency situations.
> >> Steve in rainy, wet Seattle
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: owner-land-speed@autox.team.net
> >> > [mailto:owner-land-speed@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Glen Barrett
> >> > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 4:15 PM
> >> > To: land-speed@autox.team.net
> >> > Subject: Cut off switch
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > One thing all need to remember regardless of where the switch is
> mounted
> >> > and identified with a decal or whatever, a fire or a panel can be torn
> >> > off in an incident and making it difficult to locate. The emergency
> crew
> >> > at the lakes and on the salt spend time in the inspection area to look
> >> > over all of the cars, streamlined bikes and any thing unusual that may
> >> > create a rescue problem.
> >> >
> >> > The big thing that we have to cope with is distance we need to travel
> >> > to the incident as we don't have the man power or equipment that large
> >> > and big budget racing associations have.
> >> >
> >> > The program we have the, Emergency Response Team is a group of regular
> >> > volunteers that work together and learn from all incidents and try to
> >> > incorporate all we can from the experiance into our rescue trailer.
> >> > There is no easy answer to the mounting of a switch or if a tank should
> >> > be in a steel container or the placement of a water tank in or outside
> >> > of the drivers area.
> >> >
> >> > The main thing is to put yourself in the position of the rescue teams
> >> > and the patrols and fire personnel that will be there to extract the
> >> > driver from the vehicle involved in a incident. Just things to think
> >> > about.
> >> > Glen
> >>
>
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> To: "Glen Barrett" <speedtimer@earthlink.net>,
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> Glen,
>
> You are correct about varied vehicles, that is why after a long discussion
> during the rules meeting it was decided to leave the rule a bit open.. (I
> know many of you would argue about this not being the best, but after an
> hour...) I have been on the scene of many incidents at Bonneville, El
> Mirage and Muroc. The most scary thing for me as a safety member is to roll
> to the scene and have electric fuel pumps still running with the lines
> ripped off of them, it was fear for both myself and the guy still in the car
> that made me champion this rule.
>
> While the idea of solenoids sounds like an ideal fix, I must agree with the
> comments from the list about failures. After spending 10 years working with
> Aircraft and ground support electrical systems I would not suggest solenoids
> as the answer.
>
> The best idea is the Morse cable used in the pull fashion. Mount the switch
> close to the battery if you can. Keep those good ideas coming!
>
> Mike Manghelli
> SCTA Prez
> Lancaster, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Glen Barrett <speedtimer@earthlink.net>
> To: Steve Pitt <steve@seattleconstructioninc.com>
> Cc: land-speed@autox.team.net <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> Date: Monday, February 07, 2000 6:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Cut off switch
>
> >The problem with our type of racing is there are not two cars alike. Each
> is as
> >design of its own except for most stock bodied vehicles, all others are
> special
> >construction and require a different approach.
> >Glen
> >
> >Steve Pitt wrote:
> >
> >> A local group involved in vintage sports car racing require emergency
> >> switches on all cars. They don't specifically identify a location but
> say
> >> it should be "easily accessible" and clearly marked. The majority of
> these
> >> cars have the switch mounted at the real because that is usually where
> the
> >> battery is located. I would think that a single location for all cars
> makes
> >> the most sense and that the I.D. marking should be consistent, say a 6"
> (?)
> >> diameter painted red circle around the switch. This would at least
> >> guarantee some consistency in emergency situations.
> >> Steve in rainy, wet Seattle
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: owner-land-speed@autox.team.net
> >> > [mailto:owner-land-speed@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Glen Barrett
> >> > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 4:15 PM
> >> > To: land-speed@autox.team.net
> >> > Subject: Cut off switch
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > One thing all need to remember regardless of where the switch is
> mounted
> >> > and identified with a decal or whatever, a fire or a panel can be torn
> >> > off in an incident and making it difficult to locate. The emergency
> crew
> >> > at the lakes and on the salt spend time in the inspection area to look
> >> > over all of the cars, streamlined bikes and any thing unusual that may
> >> > create a rescue problem.
> >> >
> >> > The big thing that we have to cope with is distance we need to travel
> >> > to the incident as we don't have the man power or equipment that large
> >> > and big budget racing associations have.
> >> >
> >> > The program we have the, Emergency Response Team is a group of regular
> >> > volunteers that work together and learn from all incidents and try to
> >> > incorporate all we can from the experiance into our rescue trailer.
> >> > There is no easy answer to the mounting of a switch or if a tank should
> >> > be in a steel container or the placement of a water tank in or outside
> >> > of the drivers area.
> >> >
> >> > The main thing is to put yourself in the position of the rescue teams
> >> > and the patrols and fire personnel that will be there to extract the
> >> > driver from the vehicle involved in a incident. Just things to think
> >> > about.
> >> > Glen
>
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