Hey, if were not making room for '55 Chevy's what's the point. I thought
this whole exercise is to make aerodynamically disadvantaged cars
competitive in some category. If so I believe the cut off needs to be
earlier. 1974 is pre-EFI and pre-Aero cars. The '75 to '81 Mustangs and
Pontiac Grand Prix's can run with the rest of us in Modified.
Rich thinks it ought to be '49 to '69. A twenty year cut off???
John (keep it old and nostalgic) Beckett
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>
To: "John Beckett" <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>; "Dan Warner"
<dwarner@electrorent.com>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: New Category
> Yep John... You got a Vote Too....
>
> But the 74 Camaro could be UPDATED to an 81.... and I don't think there
> are going to be many 55 Chevy's out there running no matter what the
class.
>
> If we go down this road... ya gotta look closely at the actual difference
> in the Altered Trim.... which actually equals Zero on the end of the
> Day....The cars are the same... but by going to 81 we are also including a
> ton of Mustangs and other types of cars that folks might want to run....
>
> Personally I am just trying to make more HP to make up for the Aerodynamic
> disadvantage.... I mean if you look at it this way ... My D Fuel Altered
> ran as fast as Ed's C/GT car... obviously my Hp numbers are Just fine... (
> come on Ed you didn't think I was through yet did you? )
>
> Keith.... ( thinking of some geek saying my tail lights aren't right for
> the 74.. or some such silliness )
>
> ----------
> > From: John Beckett <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
> > To: Dan Warner <dwarner@electrorent.com>; land-speed@autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: New Category
> > Date: Thursday, September 07, 2000 10:58 AM
> >
> > Dan / SCTA
> >
> > I want to thank you all for this unprecedented and historic opportunity,
> for
> > all LSR racers, to vote on this new class structure. This is great.
> >
> > However, I feel strongly that there is one other line we need to vote
> > on...that being the year cut off for this category. Personally, I agree
> > with Dave Dahlgren, '1981' is way to new for a "Nostalgia" class. Can't
> > this be set back to 1974, pre EFI anything? Old Keith's Camaro, as an
> > example...can still be re-configured to a '74, compete in the new
> > class...and beat up on the '53 Studebakers, '55 Chevys, '65 Mustangs,
'72
> > Gremlins. etc.
> >
> > John Beckett, LSR #79, E/FCC
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dan Warner" <dwarner@electrorent.com>
> > To: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 8:42 AM
> > Subject: New Category
> >
> >
> > > Here it is!
> > >
> > > Included in this email is the proposal for the new CATEGORY which will
> > break
> > > the current Modified Category classes by year. This proposal will
> create a
> > > new category between the existing Vintage and Modified Categories. The
> > body
> > > year break will be 1949 to 1981 inclusive.
> > >
> > > Note that the engine breaks are restrictive as the new category will
> deal
> > > with AMERICAN coupe and sedan bodies only. There will be no
Competition
> > > Coupe classes. The reasoning is that competition coupe rules are very
> > > liberal and the choice of body is a personal issue. All other rules in
> the
> > > category will be the same as the current Modified category as far as
> aero,
> > > engine swaps, transmission, etc.
> > >
> > > You have the opportunity to cast a vote as to the degree of mechanical
> > > sophistication in this new category. The name of the category is not
> yet
> > > decided. You also have the chance to name this category through a
> contest
> > > administered by Jon Amo on his web site www.landracing.com.
> > > When choosing your name for the category please be aware that our
class
> > > naming convention is laborious at best. An example would be:
> XXO/BACFAlt
> > (AC
> > > = American Classic). Lets not make the class name longer than the
> vehicle.
> > >
> > > Please distribute the proposal to your buddies who may not be internet
> > > savvy. This is an unprecedented opportunity to take part in the
> process.
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > >
> > > Dan Warner
> > >
> > > Southern California Timing Association 2001 Rule Book Proposal
> > >
> > > The following sections are recommended rules changes to add the
> "Nostalgia
> > > Category" into the new 2001Rule Book.
> > >
> > > Purpose:
> > > To split the Coupe/Sedan car classes using newer aerodynamic cars
(1982
> to
> > > present) from the older less aerodynamic cars (1949 through 1981).
This
> > > change
> > > will make the older cars more competitive and still allow the newer
> cars
> > to
> > > compete amongst themselves. All old records will be re-established
and
> > > those records set by newer cars will stay with them in the current
> > Modified
> > > Category classes. Here is an example; John Rain's car (1989 Indy 500
> > > Pontiac) record of 274.5 MPH for D/PS will stay with him in the
current
> > > Production Category class, but in the newly established Nostalgia
> > Category,
> > > Ron Hall's car (1963 Avanti) old record of 195.6 MPH will be
re-entered
> > into
> > > the record book for D/NPS class. This way no one looses a record and
> the
> > old
> > > records are reinstated. Carefully read the two options in the
Nostalgia
> > > Category and vote your
> > > opinion on the spaces provided. The two options are; Option 1A or 1B
> on
> > one
> > > subject and Option 2A or 2B on the other subject, you must vote for
one
> of
> > > the two choices for each option. Also, vote for or against the
> proposal
> > of
> > > adding the new Nostalgia Category to the 2001 Rule Book.
> > > The goal is to have every race car owner in the Coupe or Sedan class
> vote
> > on
> > > these changes. The race car owners voting can be those who race at
> > > Bonneville, the Dry Lakes, Maxon or all venues. Each race car owner
> > > will have one vote on the outcome of this consideration of rule
> changes.
> > > Its important that all owners vote and mail their results to Bob Sykes
> Jr.
> > > by no later than November 1, 2000. At that cutoff date, the ballots
> will
> > be
> > > tallied and the results will impact on what changes go into the
> Southern
> > > California Timing Associatation Rule Book for the year 2001. So please
> > > don't sit on this, study the changes then vote and mail your results
> > ASAP!!
> > >
> > > NOSTALGIA CATEGORY
> > > The Nostalgia Car category will consists of American coupe or sedan
> cars
> > > from 1949 through and including 1981.
> > > Note: the "N" has been added to the following categories to indicate
> the
> > > Nostalgia Car Class.
> > > .
> > >
> > > NOSTALGIA FUEL ALTERED COUPE - /NBFALT, /NFALT
> > > NOSTALGIA GAS ALTERED COUPE - /NBGALT, /NGALT
> > >
> > > Engine classes allowed are:
> > > AA, A, B, C, D, E, F, XF, XO, XXF, XXO, and V4.
> > >
> > > NOSTALGIA GAS COUPE and SEDAN - /NBGC, /NGC
> > >
> > > Engine classes allowed are:
> > > AA, A, B, C, D, E, F, XF, XO, XXF, XXO, and V4
> > >
> > >
> > > NOSTALGIA PRODUCTION COUPE and SEDAN - /NPRO
> > >
> > > Engine classes allowed are:
> > > AA, A, B, C, D, E, F, XF, XO, and V4.
> > >
> > > .
> > > NOSTALGIA SUPERCHARGED PRODUCTION COUPE and SEDAN - /NPS
> > >
> > > Engine classes allowed are:
> > > AA, A, B, C, D, E, F, XF, XO.
> > >
> > > NOSTALGIA CATEGORY
> > >
> > > (Option #1A, EFI is allowed)
> > > (Option #1B, EFI is not allowed)
> > >
> > > (Option #2A, computer controlled ignition timing is allowed)
> > > (Option #2B, computer controlled ignition timing is not allowed).
> > >
> > > VOTING FORM FOR COUPE/SEDAN CAR OWNERS
> > >
> > > OWNER'S NAME: print name ___________________________________
> > >
> > > OWNER'S SIGNATURE: ___________________________________
> > >
> > > DATE VOTED: ___________________________________
> > >
> > > HOME ADDRESS: ___________________________________
> > >
> > > ___________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > > PHONE NUMBER ___________________________________
> > >
> > > CAR'S CLASS & ENTRY #: ___________________________________
> > >
> > > LAST RACE ENTERED: ___________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > > ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF THE NOSTALGIA CATEGORY?
> > >
> > > YES _____
> > >
> > >
> > > NO _____
> > >
> > > VOTE FOR ONE ON OPTION #1
> > > OPTION 1A
> > ____
> > > (YES, EFI)
> > >
(Electronic
> > Fuel
> > > Injection) or
> > > OPTION 1B
> > ____
> > > (NO, EFI)
> > >
> > > VOTE FOR ONE ON OPTION #2
> > > OPTION 2A
> > ____
> > > (YES,CMPTR )
> > > (Computer
> > > ignition timing) or
> > > OPTION 2B
> > ____
> > > (NO, CMPTR)
> > >
> > > "AFTER YOU'VE VOTED SEND THIS LAST PAGE TO:"
> > > Bob Sykes Jr. (Coupes & Sedan Committee Chairman)
> > > 6815 Scott Circle,
> > > Cypress, California 90630 Any questions, call Bob at home (714)
> > 527-6907
> > >
> > > email: Dan Warner - dwarner@electrorent.com Bobby Sykes Jr.
> > > drylakes207@yahoo.com
> > >
> > > Please vote by November 1, 2000 so the Southern California Timing
> > > Association can make a count of the votes.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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