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Re: rear steer

To: "Russel Mack" <>, <>,
Subject: Re: rear steer
From: "DrMayf" <>
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 10:27:58 -0700
Russ, you are not going to believe this but one of the technical papers I
surfed onto had an active rear steer for a bike!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Russel Mack" <>
To: "DrMayf" <>; <>; <>;
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 9:06 PM
Subject: RE: rear steer

> Mayf:
> I'm thinking along similar lines, for bikes.
> Whether lsr bike-- or car-- "rake" doesn't seem to matter a whole lot.
> lots of "trail" should help stability, in any case.  Typically, trail is
> increased by increasing rake-- which eventually unloads the front contact
> patch too much.  A trailing linkage avoids this problem.  As you say--
> a shopping cart wheel.
> (BTW, I'm not talking about rws here, so don't anybody start thinking I
> to build a rws bike.  Furthest thing from my mind.  I won't even drive a
> forklift very fast.)
> Russ, #1226B
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> []On Behalf Of DrMayf
> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 9:17 AM
> To:;;
> Subject: Re: rear steer
> Jack, exactly. But rake and trail are the same as large amounts of caster.
> Think of the bike's steering head as the kingpin . It intersects the
> way ahead of the contact patch on the tire. I was thinking more the
> cart front wheels with a vertical shatf but the contact patch trailing.
> mayf

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