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Re: Solo DSC: was "Street Modified cost" (LONG)

To: "George Ryan" <quad4fiero@webzone.net>,
Subject: Re: Solo DSC: was "Street Modified cost" (LONG)
From: "Kevin Stevens" <Kevin_Stevens@pursued-with.net>
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 09:26:12 -0700
Um, you've just invented bracket racing.  The recipe will be just the same as
at the drags:

-  Get the fastest car for the class.  (So much for the car not being a
factor.)
-  Drive it at 95% for consistency.   (So much for 10/10's.)
-  Hit your dialins.    (Sorry, "practice laps".  Get the Geez! cranked up to
realtime so it
    can tell you when to back off.  So much for driver skill.)

Good luck, enjoy, best to you.  Work on that fuzz factor: "A method of
handicapping is used (within each classification)".  Be prepared to scale it
up to 250 entries before you start saying it will replace SCCA Solo II.

KeS

(would kill for five runs in a day at our local events)

----- Original Message -----
From: "George Ryan" <quad4fiero@webzone.net>
To: "Jay Mitchell" <jemitchell@compuserve.com>; <autox@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 00:55
Subject: Solo DSC: was "Street Modified cost" (LONG)


> This is a modified copy of a letter I sent out describing Solo Driving
> Skills Challenge (DSC).
>
> "Here's a brief (?) overview of a system that has only 3 classes, which
> relate to
> the tires used more than anything. The basic structuring includes one for
> showroom stock cars with street tires (maybe you can compare this to a
> Novice or street tire class in the SCCA), another for competition cars on
> "R" tires (including SCCA Stock, and SP classed cars), and the last is for
> racing vehicles on slicks - similar to Prepared or Mod in the SCCA. The
> rules are simple, the stock cars have definite rules to keep them showroom
> stock, the race class includes those street machines with performance engine
> swaps - such as my Caddy V8 powered Fiero daily driver - etc.
>
> The competition starts at a Christmas tree (the timing starts when the beam
> is broken, much like an SCCA start). The only exception to an SCCA start is
> that jumping before the green, or not starting within 2 seconds of the green
> will generate a DNF. The rest of the run is identical to a regular
> autocross.
>
> There is a period of time defined for practice. Our sessions - when we were
> defining the rules and working the bugs out  - were an hour (per class).
> With about 30 competitors in the session, most were able to get 5 or 6
> practice runs in. I had time between runs to adjust tire pressure, watch
> other cars in portions of the course I was having trouble with, etc (in
> addition to "administrative" duties from running things). - and I personally
> got 5 runs in the practice session.
>
> I do this to rid the competiton of the navigational aspect the SCCA has
> built in to their rules. After several practice laps, one should not get
> lost on course, one should have learned the course and know what lines they
> wish to use, for example. This is not out of line, what other motorsport
> does not have practice runs? Drag Racing, you say - well, how much
> navigation is required in that motorsport?
>
> The time element is no worse than walking a course. My practice runs started
> at 8:00AM, and were completed by 11:00. In our local SCCA, the course is
> open for walking at 8:00, first car out is at 10:30 (ideally).
>
> But then the "qualifying" begins. Three runs, exactly the same as the SCCA.
> except the competitors are bracketed based on their best timed run. The
> penalties are the same as the autocross as you know it. There are "trophy"
> type awards- similar to the regional event "trophies" given out in the SCCA,
> for the top driver in each bracket.
>
> After a bracket is built by qualifying based on the competitors best times,
> they have one run in the "Finals". (keeping in mind they have had more laps
> on course than they would have in a normal SCCA competition already). A
> method of handicapping is used (within each classification), and there is a
> break- out rule (with penalties). This portion of the event is where a Class
> winner is established, and this is where trophies are earned, actual
> "Driving Skills Challenge Winner" trophies.
>
> Then the 3 winners from each class go at it (handicapped, once again) for an
> overall winner. A cash prize, or free entry to a road racing Touring Day, or
> free gasoline from the event sponsor, (or something similar and of a value
> far exceeding the entry cost) is awarded to the overall winner.
>
> Instead of winning a trinket, dash plaque, or bumper/window sticker as
> awarded for regional events in the SCCA, in this competition one could win
> the same as a bracket winner, a trophy for class winner, and a cash (or cash
> value) prize as he proceeds up the competition ladder - all at the same
> event.
>
> My rulebook is about a tenth the size of the SCCA rulebook. The car does not
> matter, and there is no navigational skill required.  My car classifications
> are simple, and will not change year to year (with monthly "clarifications")
> as does the SCCA classing structure. The winner is the best driver that day
> on that course. PERIOD. I call this brand of autocross "Driving Skills
> Challenge", and that name is copyrighted.
>
> Now, I have just given a very broad overview here. This type of motorsport
> has been tested (and the necessary adjustments have been made) under fire. A
> timing and scoring program was developed (it was derived from a drag racing
> T&S program - so a Pro Solo type event is possible). Solo DSC does work,
> and it works well. There were critics, of course, and their comments were
> heard and analyzed. Some adjustments resulted from those comments, also,
> BTW.
>
> There are other nuances to DSC, such as paid corner workers. Competitors can
> opt to exchange entry fees for work assignements, but not a requirement.
> Child care will be available to keep the kiddies off pit and paddock,
> allowing Mom and Dad to devote their mental energies to the competition (and
> yet have little Johnny where they can visit and check on).
>
> Entry fees costs more than the current SCCA autocross program, about the
> same as a day at the drags, and less than any road racing program. Yet it
> offers double, even triple the seat time than does Solo II, is equally or
> more competitive, and the car you drive does not matter.
>
> When I find a permanent site, I will run a couple more practice runs before
> I stage my first real competition. It will be awhile before this form of
> autocrossing hits the press, so to speak, but it is coming."
>
> That is where the SCCA should head with their program. The driver should be
> the only factor to winning, as he/she is in Solo DSC.
>
> G
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jay Mitchell <jemitchell@compuserve.com>
> To: George Ryan <quad4fiero@webzone.net>; <autox@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 10:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Street Modified cost
>
>
> > George Ryan wrote:
> >
> > >It would be difficult for me to forward proposed rules. The rulebook for
> DSC
> > >is about a 10th the size of the SCCA rulebook, but still a bit much to be
> > >posting on this list.
> >
> > Given that you've plugged your concept more than once on team.net, don't
> you think it would be a good idea get just a little more specific for those
> who might be curious? I've seen articles in which you mentioned the overall
> concept - classing drivers instead of cars - but I've not seen any of the
> specifics. Surely the idea is not so complex that you can't offer a few
> details in a post of reasonable length. That failing, posting the rules on
> the web somewhere might be a workable alternative.
> >
> > Jay

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