What can I get instead...I put the new gas shocks on this weekend.
ken shapiro
baltimore
1970 GT6+ KC81872L
----- Original Message -----
From: Philip Smith <smith007@mindspring.com>
To: Jeff McNeal <jmcneal@ohms.com>; Martin A. Secrest <msecrest@erols.com>;
David Moag <moag@ix.netcom.com>; <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: Offering First To The List
>
> If You vote for my 69 TR6 at geocities .com, I'll do what I can to see
that
> all listers get new gas shocks? Thanks in advance, your support is greatly
> appreciated? There will be a rally at your local Cracker Barrel today? I'm
> picking up the tab?
> Phil Smith?
> TR6?
> we'll keep the light on for ya?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff McNeal <jmcneal@ohms.com>
> To: Martin A. Secrest <msecrest@erols.com>; David Moag
<moag@ix.netcom.com>;
> <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 12:44 PM
> Subject: Re: Offering First To The List
>
>
> >
> > May I suggest a "cooling off" period for Ken and all those who are
flaming
> > him over this situation?
> >
> > I've listed parts that I didn't need for sale on eBay in the past, but
> > didn't announce them to the list. I suffered no repercussions as a
> result.
> > Ultimately, the items went to list members anyway, who as far as I can
> tell,
> > got very reasonable deals. On some of the items I sold, the shipping
cost
> > more than the item itself. No harm, no foul.
> >
> > Mr. Shapiro's offense seems to be NOT that he listed his items for sale
on
> > eBay, but that he then promoted that sale on the Triumph lists to draw
> > attention to it, thereby increasing his chances of more people bidding
on
> > the item in question. I'm going on a limb here, but my guess would be
> that
> > Ken probably very much regrets making that announcement. The
implication
> is
> > that by doing this, he is either "selling out" his list buddies or worse
> > yet, pitting them against one another in a bidding situation.
> >
> > I personally don't blame Ken for wanting to reach a wider audience by
> > listing on eBay or for trying to get the most that he can for his used
air
> > shocks. It's a quiant little concept known as capitolism. It really
> > doesn't bother me that he announced the auction on the lists, either,
> > because I have no personal interest in purchasing his air shocks. If I
> DID,
> > I would probably be perturbed with his actions, since I would have less
of
> a
> > chance of getting a "deal".
> >
> > But let's not crucify the guy or put him on the defensive any further.
I
> > don't see how that's going to do anything but create bad feelings and I
> > really don't think that's necessary or desireable. Mr. Shapiro, in my
> view,
> > has learned (the hard way) not to hype his own eBay sales on the lists.
I
> > say, let it go and let's move on.
> >
> > My two cents.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Jeff in San Diego
> > '67 RHD Spitfire Mk3 aka "Mrs. Jones"
> > http://www.ohms.com/spitfire/spitfire.shtml
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Martin A. Secrest <msecrest@erols.com>
> > To: David Moag <moag@ix.netcom.com>; <triumphs@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 9:54 AM
> > Subject: Re: Offering First To The List
> >
> >
> > >
> > > To throw grease onto this fire, I somehow feel compelled to mention
that
> > those
> > > shocks -- Gabriel Hi Jackers, part #55RE5362T -- are all of $72.95 a
> pair
> > from
> > > JC Whitney (312-431-6102). Fits a '63-'82 Corvette and Spit/GT6. I
> know,
> > > because I put them on the Spitfire I used to own. It's a cute
> conversion,
> > but
> > > frankly, I don't really recommend them over a pair of good gas shocks.
> > > --
> > > Martin
> > >
> > > David Moag wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ken,
> > > >
> > > > It is surprising to me that you do not see Jeff's point on first
> > offering to
> > > > the list. He (and I) see that as a small way of giving back to the
> list
> > for
> > > > all of the advice and help that it has provided (for free). While I
> > don't
> > > > personally know many of the listers, I feel very grateful to many of
> > them
> > > > individually, and to all of them as a group. Without them I would
not
> > even
> > > > have attempted the restoration of my TR3B (heck, I wouldn't have
even
> > bought
> > > > the car to begin with had it not been for the list). Personally, I
> would
> > > > rather sell a Triumph part to a list member for $50 than list it on
> Ebay
> > and
> > > > make $75 on it -- I'm not in the hobby for the money.
> > > >
> > > > I've bought quite a few items on Ebay, and will continue to do so,
but
> > I've
> > > > never had any sort of "relationship" with any of those sellers. The
> > listers,
> > > > on the other hand, have bent over backwards to help me whenever I've
> > needed
> > > > it. From taking something apart on their car just to tell me what
they
> > see,
> > > > to photographing something and emailing it to me, to copying entire
> > manuals
> > > > and sending them to me, to sending me an unobtainable part and not
> even
> > > > asking for payment, to showing up in my driveway to help tune up a
> carb.
> > I
> > > > could go on, but no need. I've seen many listers answer your
technical
> > > > questions to the list as well. I find it rather impossible to
compare
> > that
> > > > type of help to the strictly buying and selling that Ebay provides.
> > > >
> > > > Dave Moag
> > > > 62 TR3B
> > > > 77 Spitfire
> > > > La Canada, CA
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: owner-triumphs@autox.team.net
> > > > > [mailto:owner-triumphs@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Beth & Ken
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 4:31 AM
> > > > > To: Jeff Johnson; triumphs@autox.team.net
> > > > > Subject: Re: TR6 wanted, DC area
> > > >
> > > > --snip--
> > > >
> > > > > As to your "ethics" of offering it to the
> > > > > listers first, your into some kind of allegiance I don't see. I
> don't
> > know
> > > > > the "listers" any more than I know the people on eBay. In fact,
> > > > > if I had to generalize, I've had better relationships with the
> folks
> > I've
> > > > > dealt with on eBay.
> > > >
> > > > --snip--
> > > >
> > > > > ken shapiro
> > > > > baltimore
> > > > > 1970 GT6+ KC81872L
> > >
> >
>
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