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Re: [Tigers] Evans Waterless Cooling

To: Buck Trippel <bucktrippel@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Evans Waterless Cooling
From: Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 16:29:17 +0200
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Yep.  I run in most cars with no problems but in the tiger with the 500hp
motor I needed every bit of efficiency possible so had to switch off even
back to water and antifreeze.  It worked sort of ok with the dale radiator
but then I switched to another brand radiator and it just couldn=E2=80=99t =
keep the
temps down.   Pretty sure it would be doable with an efficient and lower
power motor if all the other cooling problems were taken care of.

Il giorno sab 2 lug 2022 alle 16:05 Buck Trippel via Tigers <
tigers@autox.team.net> ha scritto:

> In August of the hot summer of 2019 (aren=E2=80=99t they all hot now?) I =
put Evans
> in a Tiger which has an excellent two row aluminum radiator in front of a
> rather stock 289. My wife and I put the Tiger through an almost 5-thousan=
d
> mile road test by driving from Los Angeles to La Crosse via I80/I90 to
> attend the TEAE United and then Route 66 on the way home. Temperatures we=
re
> frequently at 100 degrees. So it got quite a test.
>
>
>
> The Evans did not boil but with hot outside air temperatures its inferior
> specific heat (to water) could not remove adequately remove the engine
> heat.
>
>
>
> The carb got so hot the fuel percolated (boiled) inside the bowls and the
> engine stalled lean. This weakness was exacerbated at altitudes above
> 4-thousand feet. In Pueblo, with OATs near 100 I ended up on the same AAA
> tow truck twice on the same day. I then gave up and reluctantly drained
> maybe half of the the costly coolant out, replacing it with plain water s=
o
> I could get home. However the percolation reoccurred crossing the Mojave =
in
> the 115 degree August temps. At home I replaced the Evans with water,
> adding Water Wetter for corrosion protection.
>
>
>
> I don=E2=80=99t have the numbers off the top of my head but the specific =
heat (or
> ability to transfer heat) of water is 1.00 while Evans is something like
> .65 or only 2/3 that of water. For me, Evans just did not do the job. Fro=
m
> my experience I=E2=80=99d say one would have to be exceptionally brave to=
 use it,
> especially with a stock radiator system or with a more powerful engine
> which will place even more demand on the Tiger=E2=80=99s weak cooling sys=
tem. (BTW
> in the Tiger we drove on that trip, we had removed the stock block under
> the carb that hot radiator fluid passes through which probably have made
> even more of a problem.)
>
>
>
> Buck Trippel
>
> Ps I wrote up some of this years ago and I believe it contained a more
> detailed account of Evans heating issues on the trip =E2=80=93 I think it=
 was
> published in both the TEAE and CAT newletters.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Dr. T. Y.
> McDowell
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 2, 2022 5:06 AM
> *To:* Tiger's List <tigers@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Tigers] Evans Waterless Cooling
>
>
>
> Is anyone out there in Tigerland using Evans Waterless Coolant?
>
> It has a boiling point of 375 (F).  I'd like to hear from anyone who's
> using it as I'm considering it.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
>
> Tym McDowell
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<div dir=3D"auto">Yep.=C2=A0 I run in most cars with no problems but in the=
 tiger with the 500hp motor I needed every bit of efficiency possible so ha=
d to switch off even back to water and antifreeze.=C2=A0 It worked sort of =
ok with the dale radiator but then I switched to another brand radiator and=
 it just couldn=E2=80=99t keep the temps down. =C2=A0 Pretty sure it would =
be doable with an efficient and lower power motor if all the other cooling =
problems were taken care of.</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">Il giorno sab 2 lug 2022 alle 16:05 Buck T=
rippel via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox=
.team.net</a>&gt; ha scritto:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:sol=
id;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div lang=3D"EN-US"=
 link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72" style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div cla=
ss=3D"m_5709920822930774889WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">In August o=
f the hot summer of 2019 (aren=E2=80=99t they all hot now?) I put Evans in =
a Tiger which has an excellent two row aluminum radiator in front of a rath=
er stock 289. My wife and I put the Tiger through an almost 5-thousand mile=
 road test by driving from Los Angeles to La Crosse via I80/I90 to attend t=
he TEAE United and then Route 66 on the way home. Temperatures were frequen=
tly at 100 degrees. So it got quite a test.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The Evans did not b=
oil but with hot outside air temperatures its inferior specific heat (to wa=
ter) could not remove adequately remove the engine heat. <u></u><u></u></p>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The c=
arb got so hot the fuel percolated (boiled) inside the bowls and the engine=
 stalled lean. This weakness was exacerbated at altitudes above 4-thousand =
feet. In Pueblo, with OATs near 100 I ended up on the same AAA tow truck tw=
ice on the same day. I then gave up and reluctantly drained maybe half of t=
he the costly coolant out, replacing it with plain water so I could get hom=
e. However the percolation reoccurred crossing the Mojave in the 115 degree=
 August temps. At home I replaced the Evans with water, adding Water Wetter=
 for corrosion protection. <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I don=E2=80=99t have the numbers of=
f the top of my head but the specific heat (or ability to transfer heat) of=
 water is 1.00 while Evans is something like .65 or only 2/3 that of water.=
 For me, Evans just did not do the job. From my experience I=E2=80=99d say =
one would have to be exceptionally brave to use it, especially with a stock=
 radiator system or with a more powerful engine which will place even more =
demand on the Tiger=E2=80=99s weak cooling system. (BTW in the Tiger we dro=
ve on that trip, we had removed the stock block under the carb that hot rad=
iator fluid passes through which probably have made even more of a problem.=
)<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"> Buck Trippel<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ps I w=
rote up some of this years ago and I believe it contained a more detailed a=
ccount of Evans heating issues on the trip =E2=80=93 I think it was publish=
ed in both the TEAE and CAT newletters.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div l=
ang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72" style=3D"word-wrap:break-w=
ord"><div class=3D"m_5709920822930774889WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><d=
iv><div style=3D"border-style:solid none none;border-top-width:1pt;padding:=
3pt 0in 0in;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225)"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Fr=
om:</b> Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dr. T=
. Y. McDowell<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 2, 2022 5:06 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
Tiger&#39;s List &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_bl=
ank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Evans Waterl=
ess Cooling<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;fon=
t-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Is anyone out there in T=
igerland using Evans Waterless Coolant? <u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,s=
ans-serif"></u><u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u></span></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-famil=
y:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">It has a boiling point of 375 (=
F).=C2=A0 I&#39;d like to hear from anyone who&#39;s using it as I&#39;m co=
nsidering it. <u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u><u style=3D=
"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;col=
or:rgb(51,51,51)"><u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u>=C2=A0<=
u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u></span></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans=
-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Thanks in advance, <u style=3D"font-family:Helv=
etica,sans-serif"></u><u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;fon=
t-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><u style=3D"font-family:=
Helvetica,sans-serif"></u>=C2=A0<u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-seri=
f"></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Tym McDowell <=
u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u><u style=3D"font-family:He=
lvetica,sans-serif"></u></span></p></div></div></div>______________________=
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