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Another issue is aluminum versus brass radiators. Aluminum radiators =
are lighter but brass transfers heat more efficiently.
=0DWhen I redid my tiger, I used a three row versus a stock two row =
brass retaining the top, bottom, and sides so that the fit was not =
affected.
Also if you're replacing or having overheating problems, a closed =
impeller type water pump is much more efficient. Some aftermarket =
companies sell them already set up this way, but you can buy just the =
impeller plate from Summit for a very low price and install it yourself. =
Pumping efficiency is greatly improved.
TEAE =0Ddid a study many years ago on all aspects of cooling. This =
excellent engineering study is still applicable today and well worth =
reading, dispelling a lot of myths.
=0DAnother design problem with the tiger is that there is no lower =
portion of the fan shroud. As a result, hot air is removed from the =
radiator then goes down to the ground and circles back through the front =
of the radiator, at rest.
=0DI know this for a fact since I did smoke test and watched the air =
recirculating.
I fabricated a lower fan shroud from sheet metal, and made a low cost =
plastic air dam that comes down about 4 inches, to help=0D the flow of =
air through the radiator and continue towards the rear of the car while =
in motion.
Bottom line it all works and I don't overheat.
I have to laugh at the commentos who keeps saying that the V8 takes up =
so much space that that's why they overheat. Just look at today's cars =
and how they fill the engine bay and it becomes apparent this is another =
myth.
> On Jul 2, 2022, at 10:29 AM, Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>=20
> Yep. I run in most cars with no problems but in the tiger with the =
500hp motor I needed every bit of efficiency possible so had to switch =
off even back to water and antifreeze. It worked sort of ok with the =
dale radiator but then I switched to another brand radiator and it just =
couldn=E2=80=99t keep the temps down. Pretty sure it would be doable =
with an efficient and lower power motor if all the other cooling =
problems were taken care of.
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> Il giorno sab 2 lug 2022 alle 16:05 Buck Trippel via Tigers =
> In August of the hot summer of 2019 (aren=E2=80=99t they all hot now?) =
I put Evans in a Tiger which has an excellent two row aluminum radiator =
in front of a rather stock 289. My wife and I put the Tiger through an =
almost 5-thousand mile road test by driving from Los Angeles to La =
Crosse via I80/I90 to attend the TEAE United and then Route 66 on the =
way home. Temperatures were frequently at 100 degrees. So it got quite a =
test.
>=20
> =20
>=20
> The Evans did not boil but with hot outside air temperatures its =
inferior specific heat (to water) could not remove adequately remove the =
engine heat.=20
>=20
> =20
>=20
> The carb got so hot the fuel percolated (boiled) inside the bowls and =
the engine stalled lean. This weakness was exacerbated at altitudes =
above 4-thousand feet. In Pueblo, with OATs near 100 I ended up on the =
same AAA tow truck twice on the same day. I then gave up and reluctantly =
drained maybe half of the the costly coolant out, replacing it with =
plain water so I could get home. However the percolation reoccurred =
crossing the Mojave in the 115 degree August temps. At home I replaced =
the Evans with water, adding Water Wetter for corrosion protection.=20
>=20
> =20
>=20
> I don=E2=80=99t have the numbers off the top of my head but the =
specific heat (or ability to transfer heat) of water is 1.00 while Evans =
is something like .65 or only 2/3 that of water. For me, Evans just did =
not do the job. =46rom my experience I=E2=80=99d say one would have to =
be exceptionally brave to use it, especially with a stock radiator =
system or with a more powerful engine which will place even more demand =
on the Tiger=E2=80=99s weak cooling system. (BTW in the Tiger we drove =
on that trip, we had removed the stock block under the carb that hot =
radiator fluid passes through which probably have made even more of a =
problem.)
>=20
> =20
>=20
> Buck Trippel
>=20
> Ps I wrote up some of this years ago and I believe it contained a more =
detailed account of Evans heating issues on the trip =E2=80=93 I think =
it was published in both the TEAE and CAT newletters.
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> =20
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> =20
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> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net =
> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 5:06 AM
> To: Tiger's List <tigers@autox.team.net =
> Subject: [Tigers] Evans Waterless Cooling
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> =20
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> Is anyone out there in Tigerland using Evans Waterless Coolant?=20
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> It has a boiling point of 375 (F). I'd like to hear from anyone who's =
using it as I'm considering it.=20
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> =20
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> Thanks in advance,=20
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> Tym McDowell=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Another issue is aluminum versus brass radiators. =
Aluminum radiators are lighter but brass transfers heat more =
efficiently.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">=0DWhen =
I redid my tiger, I used a three row versus a stock two row brass =
retaining the top, bottom, and sides so that the fit was not =
affected.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Also =
if you're replacing or having overheating problems, a closed impeller =
type water pump is much more efficient. Some aftermarket companies sell =
them already set up this way, but you can buy just the impeller plate =
from Summit for a very low price and install it yourself. Pumping =
efficiency is greatly improved.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">TEAE =0Ddid a study many years ago on =
all aspects of cooling. This excellent engineering study is still =
applicable today and well worth reading, dispelling a lot of =
myths.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">=0D=
Another design problem with the tiger is that there is no lower portion =
of the fan shroud. As a result, hot air is removed from the radiator =
then goes down to the ground and circles back through the front of the =
radiator, at rest.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">=0DI know this for a fact since I did smoke test and watched =
the air recirculating.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I fabricated a lower fan shroud from sheet metal, and made a =
low cost plastic air dam that comes down about 4 inches, to help=0D the =
flow of air through the radiator and continue towards the rear of the =
car while in motion.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Bottom line it all works and I don't overheat.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I have to laugh at the =
commentos who keeps saying that the V8 takes up so much space that =
that's why they overheat. Just look at today's cars and how they fill =
the engine bay and it becomes apparent this is another myth.<br =
class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jul 2, 2022, at 10:29 AM, Owain Lloyd <<a =
href=3D"mailto:owain.lloyd@gmail.com"; =
class=3D"">owain.lloyd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta =
charset=3D"UTF-8" class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: =
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; =
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
text-decoration: none;" class=3D"">Yep. I run in most cars with no =
problems but in the tiger with the 500hp motor I needed every bit of =
efficiency possible so had to switch off even back to water and =
antifreeze. It worked sort of ok with the dale radiator but then I =
switched to another brand radiator and it just couldn=E2=80=99t keep the =
temps down. Pretty sure it would be doable with an efficient and =
lower power motor if all the other cooling problems were taken care =
of.</div><div style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: =
Times-Roman; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: =
none;" class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">Il giorno sab 2 lug 2022 alle 16:05 =
Buck Trippel via Tigers <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> ha scritto:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; =
padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><div =
lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72" style=3D"word-wrap: =
break-word;" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"m_5709920822930774889WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">In =
August of the hot summer of 2019 (aren=E2=80=99t they all hot now?) I =
put Evans in a Tiger which has an excellent two row aluminum radiator in =
front of a rather stock 289. My wife and I put the Tiger through an =
almost 5-thousand mile road test by driving from Los Angeles to La =
Crosse via I80/I90 to attend the TEAE United and then Route 66 on the =
way home. Temperatures were frequently at 100 degrees. So it got quite a =
test.<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u =
class=3D""></u> <u class=3D""></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The =
Evans did not boil but with hot outside air temperatures its inferior =
specific heat (to water) could not remove adequately remove the engine =
heat.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><u =
class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u =
class=3D""></u> <u class=3D""></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">The =
carb got so hot the fuel percolated (boiled) inside the bowls and the =
engine stalled lean. This weakness was exacerbated at altitudes above =
4-thousand feet. In Pueblo, with OATs near 100 I ended up on the same =
AAA tow truck twice on the same day. I then gave up and reluctantly =
drained maybe half of the the costly coolant out, replacing it with =
plain water so I could get home. However the percolation reoccurred =
crossing the Mojave in the 115 degree August temps. At home I replaced =
the Evans with water, adding Water Wetter for corrosion protection.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u class=3D""></u> <u =
class=3D""></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I don=E2=80=99t have the =
numbers off the top of my head but the specific heat (or ability to =
transfer heat) of water is 1.00 while Evans is something like .65 or =
only 2/3 that of water. For me, Evans just did not do the job. =46rom my =
experience I=E2=80=99d say one would have to be exceptionally brave to =
use it, especially with a stock radiator system or with a more powerful =
engine which will place even more demand on the Tiger=E2=80=99s weak =
cooling system. (BTW in the Tiger we drove on that trip, we had removed =
the stock block under the carb that hot radiator fluid passes through =
which probably have made even more of a problem.)<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u class=3D""></u> <u =
class=3D""></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Buck Trippel<u class=3D""></u><u=
class=3D""></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ps I wrote up some of this =
years ago and I believe it contained a more detailed account of Evans =
heating issues on the trip =E2=80=93 I think it was published in both =
the TEAE and CAT newletters.<u class=3D""></u><u =
class=3D""></u></p></div></div><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"#0563C1" =
vlink=3D"#954F72" style=3D"word-wrap: break-word;" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"m_5709920822930774889WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u =
class=3D""></u> <u class=3D""></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u =
class=3D""></u> <u class=3D""></u></p><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; padding: =
3pt 0in 0in; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225);" class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><b class=3D"">From:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tigers <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</a>><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class=3D"">On Behalf =
Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Dr. T. Y. =
McDowell<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, July 2, 2022 5:06 =
AM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tiger's List <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
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class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Tigers] Evans Waterless =
Cooling<u class=3D""></u><u class=3D""></u></p></div></div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u class=3D""></u> <u class=3D""></u></p><div =
class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class=3D"">Is=
anyone out there in Tigerland using Evans Waterless Coolant?<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><u style=3D"font-family: =
Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""></u><u style=3D"font-family: =
Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class=3D"">It has a =
boiling point of 375 (F). I'd like to hear from anyone who's using =
it as I'm considering it.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><u style=3D"font-family: =
Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""></u><u style=3D"font-family: =
Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class=3D""><u =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""></u> <u =
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class=3D""></u></span></p></div><div class=3D""><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);" class=3D"">Thanks in =
advance,<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><u =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=3D""></u><u =
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