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Assuming all those things are done, evans is still not quite up to the job
in my car. Most of those cooling tricks are for slow moving car. My car
ran too hot even at speed with evans and the less than perfect radiator.
As I said, with a better radiator or with water instead it is fine.
My reason for preferring brass is that it can be easily soldered. I
struggled on for a long time with my brass radiator but eventually it was
just too stress fatigued and needed frequent repair. If I could get a new
brass one I would certainly prefer that.
Il giorno sab 2 lug 2022 alle 17:36 LARRY PAULICK <lpaulick1@verizon.net>
ha scritto:
> Another issue is aluminum versus brass radiators. Aluminum radiators are
> lighter but brass transfers heat more efficiently.
>
> When I redid my tiger, I used a three row versus a stock two row brass
> retaining the top, bottom, and sides so that the fit was not affected.
>
> Also if you're replacing or having overheating problems, a closed impelle=
r
> type water pump is much more efficient. Some aftermarket companies sell
> them already set up this way, but you can buy just the impeller plate fro=
m
> Summit for a very low price and install it yourself. Pumping efficiency i=
s
> greatly improved.
>
> TEAE did a study many years ago on all aspects of cooling. This excellent
> engineering study is still applicable today and well worth reading,
> dispelling a lot of myths.
>
> Another design problem with the tiger is that there is no lower portion o=
f
> the fan shroud. As a result, hot air is removed from the radiator then go=
es
> down to the ground and circles back through the front of the radiator, at
> rest.
>
> I know this for a fact since I did smoke test and watched the air
> recirculating.
>
> I fabricated a lower fan shroud from sheet metal, and made a low cost
> plastic air dam that comes down about 4 inches, to help the flow of air
> through the radiator and continue towards the rear of the car while in
> motion.
>
> Bottom line it all works and I don't overheat.
>
> I have to laugh at the commentos who keeps saying that the V8 takes up so
> much space that that's why they overheat. Just look at today's cars and h=
ow
> they fill the engine bay and it becomes apparent this is another myth.
>
> On Jul 2, 2022, at 10:29 AM, Owain Lloyd <owain.lloyd@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yep. I run in most cars with no problems but in the tiger with the 500hp
> motor I needed every bit of efficiency possible so had to switch off even
> back to water and antifreeze. It worked sort of ok with the dale radiato=
r
> but then I switched to another brand radiator and it just couldn=E2=80=99=
t keep the
> temps down. Pretty sure it would be doable with an efficient and lower
> power motor if all the other cooling problems were taken care of.
>
> Il giorno sab 2 lug 2022 alle 16:05 Buck Trippel via Tigers <
> tigers@autox.team.net> ha scritto:
>
>> In August of the hot summer of 2019 (aren=E2=80=99t they all hot now?) I=
put
>> Evans in a Tiger which has an excellent two row aluminum radiator in fro=
nt
>> of a rather stock 289. My wife and I put the Tiger through an almost
>> 5-thousand mile road test by driving from Los Angeles to La Crosse via
>> I80/I90 to attend the TEAE United and then Route 66 on the way home.
>> Temperatures were frequently at 100 degrees. So it got quite a test.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Evans did not boil but with hot outside air temperatures its inferio=
r
>> specific heat (to water) could not remove adequately remove the engine h=
eat.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The carb got so hot the fuel percolated (boiled) inside the bowls and th=
e
>> engine stalled lean. This weakness was exacerbated at altitudes above
>> 4-thousand feet. In Pueblo, with OATs near 100 I ended up on the same AA=
A
>> tow truck twice on the same day. I then gave up and reluctantly drained
>> maybe half of the the costly coolant out, replacing it with plain water =
so
>> I could get home. However the percolation reoccurred crossing the Mojave=
in
>> the 115 degree August temps. At home I replaced the Evans with water,
>> adding Water Wetter for corrosion protection.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don=E2=80=99t have the numbers off the top of my head but the specific=
heat (or
>> ability to transfer heat) of water is 1.00 while Evans is something like
>> .65 or only 2/3 that of water. For me, Evans just did not do the job. Fr=
om
>> my experience I=E2=80=99d say one would have to be exceptionally brave t=
o use it,
>> especially with a stock radiator system or with a more powerful engine
>> which will place even more demand on the Tiger=E2=80=99s weak cooling sy=
stem. (BTW
>> in the Tiger we drove on that trip, we had removed the stock block under
>> the carb that hot radiator fluid passes through which probably have made
>> even more of a problem.)
>>
>>
>>
>> Buck Trippel
>>
>> Ps I wrote up some of this years ago and I believe it contained a more
>> detailed account of Evans heating issues on the trip =E2=80=93 I think i=
t was
>> published in both the TEAE and CAT newletters.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Dr. T. Y.
>> McDowell
>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 2, 2022 5:06 AM
>> *To:* Tiger's List <tigers@autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* [Tigers] Evans Waterless Cooling
>>
>>
>>
>> Is anyone out there in Tigerland using Evans Waterless Coolant?
>>
>> It has a boiling point of 375 (F). I'd like to hear from anyone who's
>> using it as I'm considering it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>>
>>
>> Tym McDowell
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<div dir=3D"auto">Assuming all those things are done, evans is still not qu=
ite up to the job in my car.=C2=A0 Most of those cooling tricks are for slo=
w moving car.=C2=A0 My car ran too hot even at speed with evans and the les=
s than perfect radiator.=C2=A0 As I said, with a better radiator or with wa=
ter instead it is fine.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=
My reason for preferring brass is that it can be easily soldered.=C2=A0 I s=
truggled on for a long time with my brass radiator but eventually it was ju=
st too stress fatigued and needed frequent repair.=C2=A0 If I could get a n=
ew brass one I would certainly prefer that.</div><div><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">Il giorno sab 2 lug 2022 al=
le 17:36 LARRY PAULICK <<a href=3D"mailto:lpaulick1@verizon.net";>lpaulic=
k1@verizon.net</a>> ha scritto:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-styl=
e:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div style=3D"=
word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Another issue is aluminu=
m versus brass radiators.=C2=A0 Aluminum radiators are lighter but =C2=A0br=
ass transfers heat more efficiently.<div><br></div><div>
When I redid my tiger, I used a three row versus a stock two row brass reta=
ining the top, bottom, and sides so that the fit was not affected.</div><di=
v><br></div><div>Also if you're replacing or having overheating problem=
s, a closed impeller type water pump is much more efficient. Some aftermark=
et companies sell them already set up this way, but you can buy just the im=
peller plate from Summit for a very low price and install it yourself. Pump=
ing efficiency is greatly improved.</div><div><br></div><div>TEAE=20
did a study many years ago on all aspects of cooling. This excellent engine=
ering study is still applicable today and well worth reading, dispelling a =
lot of myths.</div><div><br></div><div>
Another design problem with the tiger is that there is no lower portion of =
the fan shroud. As a result, hot air is removed from the radiator then goes=
down to the ground and circles back through the front of the radiator, at =
rest.</div><div><br></div><div>
I know this for a fact since I did smoke test and watched the air recircula=
ting.</div><div><br></div><div>I fabricated a lower fan shroud from sheet m=
etal, and made a low cost plastic air dam that comes down about 4 inches, t=
o help
the flow of air through the radiator and continue towards the rear of the =
car while in motion.</div><div><br></div><div>Bottom line it all works and =
I don't overheat.</div><div><br></div><div>I have to laugh at the comme=
ntos who keeps saying that the V8 takes up so much space that that's wh=
y they overheat. Just look at today's cars and how they fill the engine=
bay and it becomes apparent this is another myth.<br><div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"></blockquote></div></div></div><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-=
word;line-break:after-white-space"><div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div=
>On Jul 2, 2022, at 10:29 AM, Owain Lloyd <<a href=3D"mailto:owain.lloyd=
@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">owain.lloyd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br=
></blockquote></div></div></div><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-bre=
ak:after-white-space"><div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div></div></bloc=
kquote></div></div></div><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:afte=
r-white-space"><div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"auto" s=
tyle=3D"font-family:Times-Roman;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-varia=
nt-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-=
indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-dec=
oration:none">Yep.=C2=A0 I run in most cars with no problems but in the tig=
er with the 500hp motor I needed every bit of efficiency possible so had to=
switch off even back to water and antifreeze.=C2=A0 It worked sort of ok w=
ith the dale radiator but then I switched to another brand radiator and it =
just couldn=E2=80=99t keep the temps down. =C2=A0 Pretty sure it would be d=
oable with an efficient and lower power motor if all the other cooling prob=
lems were taken care of.</div><div style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman;font-si=
ze:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-s=
pacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-sp=
ace:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_att=
r" style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman">Il giorno sab 2 lug 2022 alle 16:05 Bu=
ck Trippel via Tigers <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman">tigers@autox.team.net</a>>=
ha scritto:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px=
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1=
ex;font-family:Times-Roman;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div lang=3D=
"EN-US" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72" style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;fo=
nt-family:Times-Roman"><div style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"><p class=3D"M=
soNormal" style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman">In August of the hot summer of =
2019 (aren=E2=80=99t they all hot now?) I put Evans in a Tiger which has an=
excellent two row aluminum radiator in front of a rather stock 289. My wif=
e and I put the Tiger through an almost 5-thousand mile road test by drivin=
g from Los Angeles to La Crosse via I80/I90 to attend the TEAE United and t=
hen Route 66 on the way home. Temperatures were frequently at 100 degrees. =
So it got quite a test.<u style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"></u><u style=3D=
"font-family:Times-Roman"></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-fami=
ly:Times-Roman"><u style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"></u>=C2=A0<u style=3D"=
font-family:Times-Roman"></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-famil=
y:Times-Roman">The Evans did not boil but with hot outside air temperatures=
its inferior specific heat (to water) could not remove adequately remove t=
he engine heat.<span style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman">=C2=A0</span><u styl=
e=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"></u><u style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"></u>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"><u style=3D"fo=
nt-family:Times-Roman"></u>=C2=A0<u style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"></u><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman">The carb got so=
hot the fuel percolated (boiled) inside the bowls and the engine stalled l=
ean. This weakness was exacerbated at altitudes above 4-thousand feet. In P=
ueblo, with OATs near 100 I ended up on the same AAA tow truck twice on the=
same day. I then gave up and reluctantly drained maybe half of the the cos=
tly coolant out, replacing it with plain water so I could get home. However=
the percolation reoccurred crossing the Mojave in the 115 degree August te=
mps. At home I replaced the Evans with water, adding Water Wetter for corro=
sion protection.<span style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman">=C2=A0</span><u sty=
le=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"></u><u style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"></u=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"><u style=3D"f=
ont-family:Times-Roman"></u>=C2=A0<u style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"></u>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman">I don=E2=80=99=
t have the numbers off the top of my head but the specific heat (or ability=
to transfer heat) of water is 1.00 while Evans is something like .65 or on=
ly 2/3 that of water. For me, Evans just did not do the job. From my experi=
ence I=E2=80=99d say one would have to be exceptionally brave to use it, es=
pecially with a stock radiator system or with a more powerful engine which =
will place even more demand on the Tiger=E2=80=99s weak cooling system. (BT=
W in the Tiger we drove on that trip, we had removed the stock block under =
the carb that hot radiator fluid passes through which probably have made ev=
en more of a problem.)<u style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"></u><u style=3D"=
font-family:Times-Roman"></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-famil=
y:Times-Roman"><u style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"></u>=C2=A0<u style=3D"f=
ont-family:Times-Roman"></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-family=
:Times-Roman">Buck Trippel<u style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"></u><u style=
=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-f=
amily:Times-Roman">Ps I wrote up some of this years ago and I believe it co=
ntained a more detailed account of Evans heating issues on the trip =E2=80=
=93 I think it was published in both the TEAE and CAT newletters.<u style=
=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"></u><u style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"></u><=
/p></div></div><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72" style=
=3D"word-wrap:break-word;font-family:Times-Roman"><div style=3D"font-family=
:Times-Roman"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"><u s=
tyle=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"></u>=C2=A0<u style=3D"font-family:Times-Ro=
man"></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"><u st=
yle=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"></u>=C2=A0<u style=3D"font-family:Times-Rom=
an"></u></p><div style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"><div style=3D"border-sty=
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es-Roman;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225)"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D=
"font-family:Times-Roman"><b style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman">From:</b><sp=
an style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman">=C2=A0</span>Tigers <<a href=3D"mai=
lto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:T=
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:Times-Roman">=C2=A0</span><b style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman">On Behalf O=
f<span style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman">=C2=A0</span></b>Dr. T. Y. McDowel=
l<br><b style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman">Sent:</b><span style=3D"font-fami=
ly:Times-Roman">=C2=A0</span>Saturday, July 2, 2022 5:06 AM<br><b style=3D"=
font-family:Times-Roman">To:</b><span style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman">=C2=
=A0</span>Tiger's List <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; tar=
get=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman">tigers@autox.team.net</a>&=
gt;<br><b style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman">Subject:</b><span style=3D"font=
-family:Times-Roman">=C2=A0</span>[Tigers] Evans Waterless Cooling<u style=
=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"></u><u style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"></u><=
/p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"><u =
style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"></u>=C2=A0<u style=3D"font-family:Times-R=
oman"></u></p><div style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-famil=
y:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Is anyone out there in Tigerlan=
d using Evans Waterless Coolant?<span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-s=
erif">=C2=A0</span><u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u><u sty=
le=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u></span></p></div><div style=3D"=
font-family:Times-Roman"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-family:Times-=
Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color=
:rgb(51,51,51)">It has a boiling point of 375 (F).=C2=A0 I'd like to he=
ar from anyone who's using it as I'm considering it.<span style=3D"=
font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">=C2=A0</span><u style=3D"font-family:Helv=
etica,sans-serif"></u><u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u></s=
pan></p></div><div style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-famil=
y:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><u style=3D"font-family:Helveti=
ca,sans-serif"></u>=C2=A0<u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u>=
</span></p></div><div style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al" style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-fa=
mily:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Thanks in advance,<span styl=
e=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">=C2=A0</span><u style=3D"font-family=
:Helvetica,sans-serif"></u><u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"></=
u></span></p></div><div style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal" style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-=
family:Helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><u style=3D"font-family:He=
lvetica,sans-serif"></u>=C2=A0<u style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"=
></u></span></p></div><div style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal" style=3D"font-family:Times-Roman"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;fo=
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