If You vote for my 69 TR6 at geocities .com, I'll do what I can to see that
all listers get new gas shocks? Thanks in advance, your support is greatly
appreciated? There will be a rally at your local Cracker Barrel today? I'm
picking up the tab?
we'll keep the light on for ya?
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff McNeal <email@example.com>
To: Martin A. Secrest <firstname.lastname@example.org>; David Moag <email@example.com>;
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: Offering First To The List
> May I suggest a "cooling off" period for Ken and all those who are flaming
> him over this situation?
> I've listed parts that I didn't need for sale on eBay in the past, but
> didn't announce them to the list. I suffered no repercussions as a
> Ultimately, the items went to list members anyway, who as far as I can
> got very reasonable deals. On some of the items I sold, the shipping cost
> more than the item itself. No harm, no foul.
> Mr. Shapiro's offense seems to be NOT that he listed his items for sale on
> eBay, but that he then promoted that sale on the Triumph lists to draw
> attention to it, thereby increasing his chances of more people bidding on
> the item in question. I'm going on a limb here, but my guess would be
> Ken probably very much regrets making that announcement. The implication
> that by doing this, he is either "selling out" his list buddies or worse
> yet, pitting them against one another in a bidding situation.
> I personally don't blame Ken for wanting to reach a wider audience by
> listing on eBay or for trying to get the most that he can for his used air
> shocks. It's a quiant little concept known as capitolism. It really
> doesn't bother me that he announced the auction on the lists, either,
> because I have no personal interest in purchasing his air shocks. If I
> I would probably be perturbed with his actions, since I would have less of
> chance of getting a "deal".
> But let's not crucify the guy or put him on the defensive any further. I
> don't see how that's going to do anything but create bad feelings and I
> really don't think that's necessary or desireable. Mr. Shapiro, in my
> has learned (the hard way) not to hype his own eBay sales on the lists. I
> say, let it go and let's move on.
> My two cents.
> Best wishes,
> Jeff in San Diego
> '67 RHD Spitfire Mk3 aka "Mrs. Jones"
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Martin A. Secrest <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> To: David Moag <email@example.com>; <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 9:54 AM
> Subject: Re: Offering First To The List
> > To throw grease onto this fire, I somehow feel compelled to mention that
> > shocks -- Gabriel Hi Jackers, part #55RE5362T -- are all of $72.95 a
> > JC Whitney (312-431-6102). Fits a '63-'82 Corvette and Spit/GT6. I
> > because I put them on the Spitfire I used to own. It's a cute
> > frankly, I don't really recommend them over a pair of good gas shocks.
> > --
> > Martin
> > David Moag wrote:
> > > Ken,
> > >
> > > It is surprising to me that you do not see Jeff's point on first
> offering to
> > > the list. He (and I) see that as a small way of giving back to the
> > > all of the advice and help that it has provided (for free). While I
> > > personally know many of the listers, I feel very grateful to many of
> > > individually, and to all of them as a group. Without them I would not
> > > have attempted the restoration of my TR3B (heck, I wouldn't have even
> > > the car to begin with had it not been for the list). Personally, I
> > > rather sell a Triumph part to a list member for $50 than list it on
> > > make $75 on it -- I'm not in the hobby for the money.
> > >
> > > I've bought quite a few items on Ebay, and will continue to do so, but
> > > never had any sort of "relationship" with any of those sellers. The
> > > on the other hand, have bent over backwards to help me whenever I've
> > > it. From taking something apart on their car just to tell me what they
> > > to photographing something and emailing it to me, to copying entire
> > > and sending them to me, to sending me an unobtainable part and not
> > > asking for payment, to showing up in my driveway to help tune up a
> > > could go on, but no need. I've seen many listers answer your technical
> > > questions to the list as well. I find it rather impossible to compare
> > > type of help to the strictly buying and selling that Ebay provides.
> > >
> > > Dave Moag
> > > 62 TR3B
> > > 77 Spitfire
> > > La Canada, CA
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: email@example.com
> > > > [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]On Behalf Of Beth & Ken
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 4:31 AM
> > > > To: Jeff Johnson; email@example.com
> > > > Subject: Re: TR6 wanted, DC area
> > >
> > > --snip--
> > >
> > > > As to your "ethics" of offering it to the
> > > > listers first, your into some kind of allegiance I don't see. I
> > > > the "listers" any more than I know the people on eBay. In fact,
> > > > if I had to generalize, I've had better relationships with the
> > > > dealt with on eBay.
> > >
> > > --snip--
> > >
> > > > ken shapiro
> > > > baltimore
> > > > 1970 GT6+ KC81872L