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RE: thermostats

To: tr3driver@comcast.net
Subject: RE: thermostats
From: Nicholas Wolf <nwolf@u.washington.edu>
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 00:26:27 -0700 (PDT)
Hi Randall
   Are you really suggesting NOT to put a restrictor in the bypass line?  What 
would TeriAnn say?  ;)  Here's my 2.5 cents:
   Sleeve or no sleeve, the thermostat's job is to minimize flow through the 
radiator when it's cold, while allowing some circulation through the engine in 
order to avoid hot spots.  In a sleeved system, both the radiator and the 
bypass circuits are flowing when cold; the sleeve shuts off the bypass circuit 
as the car warms up so that all the water goes through the radiator.  In one 
type of non-sleeved system, only the bypass circuit is flowing when the car is 
cold; as it warms up, the thermostat opens the passage to the radiator and both 
circuits operate.  The two designs are clearly different.  The sleeved system 
relies on the resistance of the radiator to force most of the flow through the 
bypass circuit when both are open (cold); therefore, the bypass line must be 
unrestricted.  The non-sleeved system relies on the resistance of the bypass 
circuit to force most of the flow through the 
radiator when both are open (hot); therefore, there the bypas line must be 
restricted.  (Note: There is another type of non-sleeved system, not relevant 
to this discussion, in which there is no bypass circuit, just a small hole in 
the thermostat allowing some flow to prevent hotspots when the thermostat is 
closed).
   Assuming the TRactor engine's cooling system was engineered correctly in the 
first place (and that's a pretty big assumption), you should have to 
re-engineer the system by adding a restrictor to the bypass circuit when 
changing to a sleeveless thermostat.  Otherwise, most of the flow will continue 
to bypass the radiator even when the car is warm and the thermostat is wide 
open, leading to overheating.
   Is the restrictor really necessary?  Is the unrestricted bypass line really 
so unrestricted?  Did the engineers get it right?  40+ years on, the answer 
probably varies from car to car depending on how much gunk has built up in your 
bypass line.  Adding a restrictor is simply erring on the "safe" side.  And as 
Randall points out, it probably doesn't matter whether you add one or not if 
you upgrade to a decent fan.  But it can't hurt.
-Nick

> Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:06:10 -0700
> From: "Randall" <tr3driver@comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: thermostats
> 
> Well, all I can say is that I tried [installing a restriction in the bypass]
> and it made no detectable difference for me.  If it was going to make a
> difference, I would think the difference would have to be at idle where water
> flow is much lower, but a decent fan solved that problem for me (which again
> suggests that lack of water flow is not the problem even at idle).
> 
> ...
> 
> Could be that someone didn't do their homework, and just assumed that
> the bypass had to be blocked.  Many if not most cars do not block it ... just
> look at all the thermostats at the local parts house that don't have blocking
> plates on them.  They all have bypasses.  And apparently Triumph/BL later
> decided that it did not have to be blocked.  TR250 & 6 did not, for example.
> And while the TR7 did (probably due to persistent overheating problems), I
> suspect the TR8 did not.
> 
> Randall


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