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RE: Preregistration and computerized timing/scoring

To: Carl Merritt <CMerritt@luminous.com>
Subject: RE: Preregistration and computerized timing/scoring
From: Geoff Mohler <gemohler@www.speedtoys.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 19:52:07 -0800 (PST)
Carl:

Heck, isnt that type of hardware found out behind Goodwill in this area?  

:^)

On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Carl Merritt wrote:

> Only one computer?  That's not NEARLY a sexy enough solution, I thought you
> were in MIS?  ;-)
> 
> A single DB server in the motorhome running on AC power (with a large enough
> UPS to keep it up while the generator is refueled), driving a small LAN,
> 802.11b wireless network, and then a bunch of iPaq wireless handhelds for
> registration, tech, grid, starter, T&S, etc...
> 
> -Carl
> (I'm also an MIS Manager by day, and just finished my 2002 budget proposal
> today.  Can you tell?  :)
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark J. Andy [mailto:marka@telerama.com]
> > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 5:54 PM
> > To: Bay_Area_Autocross_List
> > Subject: Re: Preregistration and computerized timing/scoring
> > 
> > 
> > Howdy,
> > 
> > On Mon, 5 Nov 2001, Jerry Mouton wrote:
> > > How many entrants run at a typical event in your local
> > > region, Mark?
> > 
> > 4.
> > 
> > :-)
> > 
> > Ok, seriously...  Around 100.  But we run registration and the event a
> > little differently.  Registration opens at 8am and closes at 10am, so
> > we're pumping 100 people through in 2 hours.  With the longer 
> > time that
> > you folks have registration open, I think you'd have a similar # of
> > registerents per hour.  Again, the computer entry portion 
> > doesn't seem to
> > be the longest thing you do during registration, so it doesn't add any
> > real time to the registration process for the event (of 
> > course, it does
> > add 30 seconds to each individual's time, but since it 
> > happens in parallel
> > to the rest, it doesn't affect throughput).
> > 
> > > Again, who would do all this in SFR?  Is registration data 
> > entry a signup
> > > work assignment?  Or is there someone who is there at every event
> > > early in the morning, dedicated to make this work?
> > 
> > In our case, I think there's a chief of the computer type guy 
> > who does it.
> > However, its not like data entry can't be taught.  No reason 
> > it couldn't
> > be a work assignment.
> > 
> > > Who would you see handling the merge of databases?  Is your
> > > experience of database merge that it typically just runs, 
> > no problem?
> > 
> > Sure!  You mean that database merging is ever an issue?  :-) 
> > (I work as an
> > MIS-type during the day...)
> > 
> > I really think you could do it on one system.  If you 
> > couldn't, two would
> > easily be enough.  With only two databases, the merge is 
> > relatively easy.
> > You'd obviously need to have a couple things to make it work well.  #1
> > would be a t&s program that could either handle doing a merge 
> > (unlikely)
> > or that talks to a database that can facilitate doing a merge (pretty
> > likely). #2 would be someone to setup a merge program that 
> > would toss out
> > duplicates for manual intervention and/or someone to run the merge.
> > 
> > Given where you guys run, I find it pretty hard to believe that you
> > wouldn't have geeks jump all over each other for the easy 
> > work assignment
> > :-)
> > 
> > > the several.  Of course, SFR might have an easier time, but 
> > again, we'd
> > > be under extreme time pressure, and the event would depend on
> > > completion of the merge in the 10 minutes between start of the
> > > drivers' meeting and beginning of run group 1 -- without failure.
> > 
> > There's no reason you can't close registration for the 
> > morning run groups
> > a half hour before the driver's meeting, but what you're saying makes
> > perfect sense.  Certainly at the beginning of something like 
> > this, you'd
> > need to run a paper system like you do now as a backup at an absolute
> > minimum.
> > 
> > > And, online database update continuously during the day as 
> > new people
> > > showed up and registered.
> > 
> > This would be more "interesting"  :-)
> > 
> > My recommendation would be to use one computer, close registration for
> > morning run groups, hand that database over, then capture 
> > afternoon run
> > groups to a different database.  I.e. each database sees 
> > "registration"
> > and then "timing" in that order.  If you wanna complicate my life and
> > allow either group to register in the morning, keep seperate database
> > starting at the beginning.
> > 
> > > Sounds a lot tougher to me than it does to you!
> > 
> > My post was only to indicate that plenty of people do it, not that you
> > should.  SFR should decide what makes sense to them and then 
> > run with it.
> > As you folks are fond of saying, you're the biggest region in 
> > the country
> > and sometimes need to work a little differently than everyone else.
> > 
> > It does seem like computerizing earlier would make getting 
> > data back to
> > the web a fair amount easier, calculating pax classes on the fly, etc.
> > 
> > Not trying to stir up trouble.  Just pointing out what I've seen other
> > folks do.
> > 
> > Mark
> 

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Geoff Mohler

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