The first thing is not to expect Jerry to do all/any
of the work. Pre-reg/worker sign up is the next easy
step,IMHO. Equipment on-site is high risk. Step 2 is
computerized print outs of times.
Craig
--- Chris Warner <jabrwoky@pacbell.net> wrote:
> If Jerry's website was the first step, what do we
> need to do to improve on
> Jerry's site? The first I would look is how we do
> the data aquisition.
> Automate this part, and we will have made vast
> improvements to how we run
> events.
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > [mailto:owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of
> craig boyle
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 10:53 AM
> > To: Jerry Mouton; Bay_Area_Autocross_List
> > Subject: Re: Preregistration and computerized
> timing/scoring
> >
> >
> > There's a perception problem. I don't think anyone
> > thinks that we can computerize everything
> immediately.
> > But it is possible to take steps in the direction
> of
> > automation. Jerry's website was a great first
> step. It
> > existed in parallel with paper results for a long
> time
> > and now we are seeing interest in dropping paper
> > results.
> >
> > Yes, I'd love to "bluetooth" every cone and car
> out
> > there, have a 802.11b wireless stations for self
> > registration at events, but that's a little too
> far.
> >
> > I work every day in an R+D group integrating
> laptops
> > and 802.11b - and there are lots of problems that
> > occur. One god thing is that the price is
> dropping
> > fast.
> >
> > Babysteps.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Jerry Mouton <jerry@moutons.org> wrote:
> > > Chris,
> > >
> > > Well, go to it! If a team of people can
> demonstrate
> > > a working, easy to use, fail-resistant system
> that
> > > has significant improvements over the current
> > > system,
> > > or even one with no immediate downside and some
> > > visible future gain, we'd jump on it.
> > >
> > > I'd be amazed, since I have implemented two such
> > > systems --
> > > one for AYSO soccer, one for Little League. We
> > > didn't find it to be trivial, and significant
> > > investment
> > > in equipment and personal time was required.
> These
> > > systems were successful, and were used for at
> least
> > > the
> > > several years that I was in charge of that area.
> > >
> > > Take over, go forward. Set up a group who
> already
> > > have
> > > laptops, make a plan, develop the system. I'd
> even
> > > contribute
> > > all my perl scripts for results. I would even
> help
> > > if a real
> > > project were under development, with appreciable
> > > advantages.
> > > Should be minimal up front costs for a barcode
> > > reader, just
> > > to demonstrate operational characteristics.
> Heck,
> > > I'd contribute
> > > the barcode reader to a serious group with a
> > > feasible plan.
> > >
> > > Give us progress reports.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > >
> > > Jerry Mouton mailto:jerry@moutons.org
> > > Laissez les bons temps
> > > rouler!
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Chris Warner" <jabrwoky@pacbell.net>
> > > To: "Bay_Area_Autocross_List"
> > > <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 10:02 AM
> > > Subject: RE: Preregistration and computerized
> > > timing/scoring
> > >
> > >
> > > > A poor choice of words on my part.
> > > >
> > > > I am refering to peoples resistance to change.
> > > "If it ain't broke don't
> > > fix
> > > > it" attitude. I see it all the time in my
> line of
> > > work. People get so
> > > used
> > > > to a certain methodology or process, that they
> > > fail to see the potential
> > > to
> > > > optimize the process.
> > > >
> > > > as for the web development, that's a small
> part of
> > > what do professionally.
> > > > I was not attempting to trivialize the work
> needed
> > > to develop a good
> > > > website.
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net
> > > > > [mailto:owner-ba-autox@autox.team.net]On
> Behalf
> > > Of Jerry Mouton
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 9:42 AM
> > > > > To: Bay_Area_Autocross_List
> > > > > Subject: Re: Preregistration and
> computerized
> > > timing/scoring
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Chris,
> > > > >
> > > > > The programs to do the web results were not
> > > technically
> > > > > difficult, but they did take about 300 hours
> of
> > > my time
> > > > > to develop over two years. Trivial, no.
> > > > >
> > > > > Politics didn't even come into it, I just
> had a
> > > better idea
> > > > > and went out and did it. Nobody complained
> or
> > > stood
> > > > > in the way, because I didn't tell them about
> it
> > > until I was
> > > > > ready to show it. If I did tell them, they
> > > would have been
> > > > > continuously bugging me to get it finished
> > > faster, and to
> > > > > change it to be like they envisioned it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please, tell us more about this political
> > > roadblocks that
> > > > > have stood in your way...
> > > > >
> > > > > Jerry
> > > > >
> > > > > Jerry Mouton mailto:jerry@moutons.org
> > > Laissez les bons temps
> > > > > rouler!
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Chris Warner" <jabrwoky@pacbell.net>
> > > > > To: "John F. Kelly Jr."
> > > <76067.1750@compuserve.com>;
> > > > > "Bay_Area_Autocross_List"
> > > <ba-autox@autox.team.net>; "Mark J. Andy"
> > > > > <marka@telerama.com>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 8:41 AM
> > > > > Subject: RE: Preregistration and
> computerized
> > > timing/scoring
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > The only challenge that prevents us geeks
> from
> > > implementing an
> > > automated
> > > > > > system is not technical, but political.
> > > Building the infrastructure,
> > > > > coding
> > > > > > the software, and deploying the system
> live.
> > > It's so technically easy
>
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