James,
You want to suggest a wording that would make the
rule explicit? We spent many hour haggling this
back and forth, and many on the SC were at that
time, probably are still today opposed to allowing
passengers. It's not unanimously supported.
Before we added this, there was no Supp rule allowing
passengers, even though it was policy. The fact that
National rules prohibit it caused us to add it.
At this point, there has not been much abuse,
if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Yes, probably lots of unwritten rules, as everywhere else in life.
In 30 years at IBM I never saw a written rule requiring blue suits
and ties (so I wore a beard, T shirts and jeans ; -). but everyone
else seemed to wear them.
It's probably not going to be abuse for a novice to ride along
as much as they can -- if their competitors complain, they will
be told to ride along, too.
Jerry
Jerry Mouton mailto:jerry@moutons.org Laissez les bons temps
rouler!
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Creasy" <black94pgt@pacbell.net>
To: "Jerry Mouton" <jerry@moutons.org>
Cc: "Bay_Area_Autocross_List" <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: SFR rule
> it seems really weird to have a rule that specifically states something is
> legal, but also have this whispered undercurrent that you cant follow the
> clearly written rule. what other unwritten rules are there? maybe we
> should write them down somewhere so people can know what they are.
>
> i was even advised by a veteran autocrosser to make use of that rule-
> specifically to gain an advantage.
>
> -james
> OSP #74
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jerry Mouton <jerry@moutons.org>
> To: James Creasy <black94pgt@pacbell.net>
> Cc: Bay_Area_Autocross_List <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:19 AM
> Subject: Re: SFR rule
>
>
> > James,
> >
> > You're thinking steady state.
> >
> > At one time there was no rule, and this time may come again
> > with abuse.
> >
> > The rule is at http://www.sfrscca.org/solo2/Results/2001/supps.html,
> > number 15.
> >
> > It's not protestable, but it is withdrawable.
> > If my competitors believe I am abusing the rule, I will be talked to.
> > If there is continued abuse, this rule will disappear, quickly. Trust
me.
> >
> > So if you are riding to get a jump on your competitors, start riding to
> > instruct new drivers or you risk killing this benefit for all of us.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > Jerry Mouton mailto:jerry@moutons.org Laissez les bons temps
> > rouler!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "James Creasy" <black94pgt@pacbell.net>
> > To: "Jerry Mouton" <jerry@moutons.org>; "Anthony Tabacco"
> > <atabacco@california.com>
> > Cc: "Bay_Area_Autocross_List" <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:02 AM
> > Subject: Re: SFR rule
> >
> >
> > > >The passenger rule is controversial,
> > >
> > > either its a rule or it is not. what is the written text of the rule?
> > >
> > > unless it is a officially protestable offense, i dont see how
irritating
> > > your competitors has anything to do with it. (although it might make
> them
> > > drive faster..., hehe)
> > >
> > > -james
> > > OSP #74
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Jerry Mouton <jerry@moutons.org>
> > > To: Anthony Tabacco <atabacco@california.com>
> > > Cc: Bay_Area_Autocross_List <ba-autox@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 7:37 AM
> > > Subject: Re: SFR rule
> > >
> > >
> > > > Tony,
> > > >
> > > > Not exactly not good form to ride along, but not good form
> > > > to abuse the system so that your competitors begin to feel that
> > > > you are getting a big advantage by doing so "excessively".
> > > >
> > > > Obviously this determination depends on both how often I ride
> > > > along before my run, whether I ride with a newbie or my good
> > > > buddy in the same run group, whether I ride several times before my
> > > > run, and exactly who my competitors are -- whether they rat me out.
> > > >
> > > > The passenger rule is controversial, and there have been a few
> instances
> > > > where people have been warned about abuse.
> > > >
> > > > Obviously there will be no complaints against me, because I am
> > > > running out of the trophies. The purpose for the rule was to
increase
> > > > the fun available at the autocrosses, getting novices better sooner,
> > > > getting to ride along in other
> > > > cool cars, etc. But if you are hot in the competition, you don't
use
> > > > this to get an advantage on your competitors.
> > > >
> > > > Jerry.
> > > >
> > > > Jerry Mouton mailto:jerry@moutons.org Laissez les bons
temps
> > > > rouler!
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Anthony Tabacco" <atabacco@california.com>
> > > > To: "Jerry Mouton" <jerry@moutons.org>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 7:21 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: SFR rule
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Jerry, I didn't know it was not considered good form to ride along
> > > before
> > > > > your run group. Learn something every day.
> > > > > Tony
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